Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal
Hi Jesus, Please wait one more day to start the vote. Thanks. - Carl On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 3:59 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote: > Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining > questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they > are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin > later today if possible. > > -Jesús > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > jcama...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's > > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in > > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft > (2), > > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I > believe > > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most > popular > > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if > the > > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication > > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) > Disagreement, > > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the > > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and > > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt > > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal > > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive > community. > > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no > lack > > of diversity, and including other committers from table format > communities > > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems > from > > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the > table > > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as > > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That > will > > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to > mitigate > > the remaining concern. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesús > > > > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > > [2] Apache Iceberg: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > > [3] Apache Hudi: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Jesús, > >> > >> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the > incubator. > >> > >> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could > you > >> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to > broaden > >> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and > Delta > >> communities? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> - Carl > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < > >> jcama...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great > to > >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different > people. > >> > > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are > >> working > >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with > >> any > >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing > >> some > >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during > >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share > >> it > >> > in this thread. > >> > > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're >
Re: [DISCUSS] OneTable proposal
Carl and others, thanks for the feedback. If you have any remaining questions or concerns, please let me know. I just want to make sure they are all addressed before we start the vote thread --- planning to begin later today if possible. -Jesús On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 8:06 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez wrote: > Carl, thanks for chiming in. > > Certainly, let me address that part. > > Concerning the initial list of committers: While the project originated > from Onehouse (a company whose offering is powered by Apache Hudi), it's > important to highlight that there has been an effort to have an initial > list of committers that work for a diverse range of companies invested in > different table formats, including Onehouse (4 committers), Microsoft (2), > Google (1), Walmart (1), Adobe (1), Cloudera (1), and Dremio (1). I believe > this diversity dispels the notion of a lack of representation or an > outsized influence from a single group in the community. > > Regarding outreach to other communities: As part of the incubation > proposal, we extended invitations to participate in this discussion and > contribute to the project to members of the communities of the most popular > OSS table formats [1][2][3][4]. Responses generally fell into four > categories (including some private responses): (1) Positive reception, > interest in the proposal/vision, and/or thinking about engaging once/if the > project is in the ASF. (2) Technical/feasibility questions, which we > encouraged them to ask on Github since that is our current communication > platform in the XTable project. (3) No response received. (4) Disagreement, > we should all adopt specific format z. It's important to acknowledge the > diversity in these communities and recognize that interest on XTable / > opinions on XTable's viability vary. > > Some additional thoughts: I believe everyone involved in XTable is > genuinely working towards making the right decisions for the project and > they are demonstrating good faith, e.g., hopefully evident in the prompt > response to the project's name change when concerns were raised. The goal > is to create a vendor-neutral project with a thriving, inclusive community. > In my view, given the current list of initial committers, there is no lack > of diversity, and including other committers from table format communities > does not address the remaining concern about the project, which stems from > the fact that it actually originated in a company backing one of the table > format projects, i.e., Apache Hudi. > Instead, I'd argue it's more important to focus on establishing XTable as > an independent project governed by ASF's meritocracy principles. That will > naturally serve as an invitation for individuals to contribute, become > committers, PPMC/PMC members, etc. While we are still in the very early > stages of that journey, I believe that focusing on these principles and > building the XTable community around them is ultimately the way to mitigate > the remaining concern. > > Thanks, > Jesús > > > [1] Apache Paimon (incubating): > https://lists.apache.org/thread/t29ghx79cp2rlw20s9p0b8o86c5lzgk7 > [2] Apache Iceberg: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/lwlrscyklkxqmp28pbxpxko9r1vw4s4z > [3] Apache Hudi: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3415j1lyp8nkgdv8sk378y8hvvmrt248 > [4] Delta Lake: https://groups.google.com/g/delta-users/c/8btY3qHydwE > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:04 PM Carl Steinbach > wrote: > >> Hi Jesús, >> >> This is a great project, and I am eager to see it added to the incubator. >> >> It's great to see that the naming issue is being addressed, but could you >> also respond to the other concern Jacques raised about the need to broaden >> the list of initial committers to include members of the Iceberg and Delta >> communities? >> >> Thanks. >> >> - Carl >> >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez < >> jcama...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Thanks to everyone who expressed support and offered help. It's great to >> > see that the project's mission resonates with so many different people. >> > >> > Jacques, we acknowledge your concern about the project name. We are >> working >> > on selecting a new name for ASF incubation that avoids confusion with >> any >> > specific corporation or product in the space. Currently we are doing >> some >> > due diligence to minimize the risk of having to change it again during >> > incubation; we'll update the proposal with the new name soon and share >> it >> > in this thread. >> > >> > Regarding the name-changing process and your concerns about it, we're >> > looking for advice based on past experiences. Specifically, we're >> > considering whether it's better to change the project's name before >> pushing >> > the code to the ASF, or if it's more practical to push the code to the >> ASF >> > repository first and then proceed with the name change. Any insights or >> > guidance on whether one option is better than the other based on >> previous >>
Re: [VOTE] Accept Fury Into the ASF Incubator
+1 non-binding Regards, Jun Liu > On Dec 8, 2023, at 7:04 PM, tison wrote: > > Hi Incubator > > Following the discussion [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Fury [1], I > am starting this official vote for the Fury project. > > Here is their proposal: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/Fury+Proposal > > Please cast your vote: > > [ ] +1, bring into the Incubator > [ ] +0, I don't care either way > [ ] -1, do not bring Fury into the Incubator, because... > > The vote will open for one week from today, Dec. 8th, 2023 > > Best, > tison. > > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/jr3qwzxg2m6507zsll5fs8mopcco3ny3 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
