Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
I'm with James on this one. Many good points have been made on this, but we do have bigger things to worry about. On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:06 -0400, James Carman wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote: For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least more vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point. As I said in the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev traffic, then we can vote to split them out. Why are we even having this discussion? When did mailing lists become such a heavyweight operation that we have to discuss at length whether they should even exist? Just create the user/dev/commits/issues lists and be done with it. If nobody uses the user list, so be it. I think it's just more confusing to start moving traffic from one list to another. Keep things consistent. And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are having with actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its documentation etc) The developers should be listening to the user list so that they can answer questions. They can't just hide in the dev list and not listen to the community. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
One point against this is that we have had a long-standing user list, and it is the developer list that is new and growing. People are use to the user list already. If we are going to combine the two then I suggest we have a -user list now and let the developers grow out of that. Rob On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:16 +0100, Dan Haywood wrote: Isis mentors: Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped, should we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for -dev and -user? Dan On 08/09/2010 08:10, Martijn Dashorst wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacksmatt...@matthewsacks.comwrote: ... *Mailing Lists* kitty-dev kitty-commits kitty-user Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the community across dev/user does not make sense. You want to keep the users and developers on the same mailing list until one starts to overwhelm the other. By partitioning the lists too early, you risk never reaching critical mass on *either* mailing list. This is actually great advice, and I wish we'd done this with a couple of podlings that are currently too small to graduate. In retrospect empire-db and etch really could have done without the user- list IMO. Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Apache Isis: project pre-proposal: looking for mentors and a sponsor
Hi It great to see this interest. We are currently hosted on SourceForge so could you please email me details of your user name there and I'll set up SVN access for you. Any ideas what you'd like to work on? Look forward to discussing it with you on the contributor mailing list. Regards Robert Matthew On 21/07/10 12:46, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: The idea sounds fantastic +1 (Not binding) on the pre-proposal. And if you allow me to join the committers team, it would be an honor of mine. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: More precisely, that'd be James Carman (Commons). I'm not on the Wicket team. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Dan Haywooddkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the Apache Incubator. At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting here would be a good first step. So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop domain-driven applications. Built on the Naked Objects framework (http://nakedobjects.org) and a number of related sister projects (http://starobjects.org), it allows full stack apps to be built just by writing pojo domain objects. Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically provides all the other necessary layers. This means that the development goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the business application. One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated UIs. The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable. For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from early adopters, but our community remains small. We're hoping that Apache will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the early majority. We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have been written on Naked Objects). Until recently there were just two main committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK. Since then we have picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec 2009. From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some mentors and a sponsor. Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has James Carman (Wicket). We're hoping that this post might interest a few more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal. Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies. Dan Haywood Robert Matthews - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Apache Isis: project pre-proposal: looking for mentors and a sponsor
Ulrich, Likewise, we'd love to have your input. Drop me a line with your SourceForge username and I'll get you set up. Not only has Dan written a Wicket viewer, but we have also previously created a very lightweight web framework of our own called Scimpi. Look forward to discussing you ideas. Regards Robert Matthews On 22/07/10 21:12, Ulrich Stärk wrote: I'm especially interested in a Tapestry integration ;). You might want to consider me as a committer... Uli On 21.07.2010 11:56, Dan Haywood wrote: We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the Apache Incubator. At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting here would be a good first step. So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop domain-driven applications. Built on the Naked Objects framework (http://nakedobjects.org) and a number of related sister projects (http://starobjects.org), it allows full stack apps to be built just by writing pojo domain objects. Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically provides all the other necessary layers. This means that the development goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the business application. One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated UIs. The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable. For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from early adopters, but our community remains small. We're hoping that Apache will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the early majority. We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have been written on Naked Objects). Until recently there were just two main committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK. Since then we have picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec 2009. From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some mentors and a sponsor. Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has James Carman (Wicket). We're hoping that this post might interest a few more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal. Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies. Dan Haywood Robert Matthews - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
