[PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi all, On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join the Apache Incubator: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we try to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to take it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone interested? Best regards, Kasper Sørensen
Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi Kasper, interesting beast. Are you really the only developer of it? Cheers Christian On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Kasper Sørensen wrote: > Hi all, > > On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join the > Apache Incubator: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we try > to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to take > it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone interested? > > Best regards, > Kasper Sørensen -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
I'm the main developer, but not the only one. Additional contributions are from Human Inference and Xebia employees primarily, and a few individuals. Best regards, Kasper -Original Message- From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] Sent: 22. februar 2013 12:21 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator Hi Kasper, interesting beast. Are you really the only developer of it? Cheers Christian On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Kasper Sørensen wrote: > Hi all, > > On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join the > Apache Incubator: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we try > to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to take > it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone interested? > > Best regards, > Kasper Sørensen -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
2013/2/22 Kasper Sørensen : > I'm the main developer, but not the only one. Additional contributions are > from Human Inference and Xebia employees primarily, and a few individuals. > Why not add some in the proposal ? > Best regards, > Kasper > > -Original Message- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22. februar 2013 12:21 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > Hi Kasper, > > interesting beast. Are you really the only developer of it? > > Cheers > Christian > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Kasper Sørensen > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join >> the Apache Incubator: >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal >> >> Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we >> try to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to >> take it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone >> interested? >> >> Best regards, >> Kasper Sørensen > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Olivier Lamy Talend: http://coders.talend.com http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Yea, sorry bout that, was postponed too late I think. I've updated the contributor list now, grouped them in three groups: 1) Initial committers (as per the proposal guide), 2) Contributors with known interest if project is accepted in Incubator and 3) Previous contributors (that aren't too likely to contribute in a incubation phase). http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal -Original Message- From: Olivier Lamy [mailto:ol...@apache.org] Sent: 22. februar 2013 14:23 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator 2013/2/22 Kasper Sørensen : > I'm the main developer, but not the only one. Additional contributions are > from Human Inference and Xebia employees primarily, and a few individuals. > Why not add some in the proposal ? > Best regards, > Kasper > > -Original Message- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22. februar 2013 12:21 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > Hi Kasper, > > interesting beast. Are you really the only developer of it? > > Cheers > Christian > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Kasper Sørensen > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join >> the Apache Incubator: >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal >> >> Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we >> try to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to >> take it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone >> interested? >> >> Best regards, >> Kasper Sørensen > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Olivier Lamy Talend: http://coders.talend.com http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Anyone else interested, now that the project page has been updated with the full contributor list ? -Original Message- From: Kasper Sørensen [mailto:kasper.soren...@humaninference.com] Sent: 22. februar 2013 09:39 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator Hi all, On behalf of Human Inference, I'm proposing the MetaModel project to join the Apache Incubator: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal Sorry about re-iterating this project proposal. This is the first time we try to do something like this at Human Inference, and we are not sure how to take it forward. I guess we need some champion(s) to help us. Is anyone interested? Best regards, Kasper Sørensen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi, I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today. It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum. Sameer
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to get further in the process. Kasper -Original Message- From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11...@gmail.com] Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator Hi, I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today. It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the efforts from us would gain some momentum. Sameer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF. Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has an interest in helping this proposal. Looking at: http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops to commit, the project is dead. Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project. Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen wrote: > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here: > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to > get further in the process. > > Kasper > > -Original Message- > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11...@gmail.com] > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > Hi, > > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are > also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today. > > It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the > efforts from us would gain some momentum. > > Sameer > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but commit through my account. The other side of the story is that we have several testers that contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during incubation. As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :) Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning this, it gives us opportunity to explain things! -Original Message- From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF. Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has an interest in helping this proposal. Looking at: http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops to commit, the project is dead. Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project. Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen wrote: > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here: > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help us to > get further in the process. > > Kasper > > -Original Message- > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11...@gmail.com] > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > Hi, > > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 years.We are > also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the needs of today. > > It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely the > efforts from us would gain some momentum. > > Sameer > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
Hi Kasper, One suggestion is to remove the "Contributors with known interest if project is accepted in Incubator" section and only add contributors that really want to get the project going. I could see this could be very useful for projects like Apache Gora or pluggable query component for Apache Drill. I would like to volunteer to become mentor and initial committer for this project to get it rolling. Thanks, Henry On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Kasper Sørensen < kasper.soren...@humaninference.com> wrote: > Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and > this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I > would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort > even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the > software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we > are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's > MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but > commit through my account. > > The other side of the story is that we have several testers that > contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a > closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal > bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will > typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of > closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to > that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during > incubation. > > As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is > important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for > him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told > me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would > be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think > any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :) > > Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning > this, it gives us opportunity to explain things! > > -Original Message- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF. > Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be > the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has > an interest in helping this proposal. > > Looking at: > http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline > > It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from > two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev > community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops > to commit, the project is dead. > > Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to > the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want > to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project. > > Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen < > kasper.soren...@humaninference.com> wrote: > > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here: > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > > > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help > us to get further in the process. > > > > Kasper > > > > -Original Message- > > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50 > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > > > Hi, > > > > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 > years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the > needs of today. > > > > It would be great to see Metamodel accepted at Apache Incubator, surely > the efforts from us would gain some momentum. > > > > Sameer > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator
I'll update the wiki page then, and add Sameer as an "initial committer" since he is already working (to my understanding) on a HBase module contribution. I'll remove Willem Cazander for the moment since I think he's too busy right now to be a real initial committer. And great news that you want to mentor this. That's very good, thank you. From: Henry Saputra [henry.sapu...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 March 2013 19:24 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator Hi Kasper, One suggestion is to remove the "Contributors with known interest if project is accepted in Incubator" section and only add contributors that really want to get the project going. I could see this could be very useful for projects like Apache Gora or pluggable query component for Apache Drill. I would like to volunteer to become mentor and initial committer for this project to get it rolling. Thanks, Henry On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Kasper Sørensen < kasper.soren...@humaninference.com> wrote: > Christian, your point regarding number of active contributors is valid and > this is in deed also something that we feel is a risk to the project. I > would say though that Human Inference is committed to continue the effort > even if I should personally stop committing to it - reason being that the > software stack we have here is highly dependent on MetaModel. Right now we > are simply in a situation where I am the key go-to-guy when there's > MetaModel related work involved. Often we pair program on these tasks, but > commit through my account. > > The other side of the story is that we have several testers that > contribute a lot in terms of bug reports and so on. But because we're a > closed company these reports are typically going first through our internal > bugtracker and then into the trac system. At that point in time it will > typically be me that enters the trac ticket. This is obviously a style of > closedness that won't work in an Apache situation, and we need to adapt to > that. But I also believe that we can manage that transition during > incubation. > > As for the "potential" contributors - one have indicated that it is > important to him that we move MetaModel out of the corporate setting for > him to sign a contributors agreement. The other (Sameer) actually just told > me that he would want to contribute anyways, but that the incubation would > be an additional incentive, because of Apache's brand value. I don't think > any of us wants a @apache.org email though! :) > > Hope that sheds a bit more light on the matter. And thanks for questioning > this, it gives us opportunity to explain things! > > -Original Message----- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com] > Sent: 11. marts 2013 11:43 > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > I still think this is a nice project and it might fit right into the ASF. > Currently I am out of time, so I cannot champion this proposal nor can I be > the most active mentor. Unfortunately it seems nobody else in the IPMC has > an interest in helping this proposal. > > Looking at: > http://eobjects.org/trac/timeline > > It seems MetaModel is more or less a single-man with a little support from > two other devs. With less interest from the Incubator and a small dev > community I am not sure how this project will develop here. If Kasper stops > to commit, the project is dead. > > Two contributors are listed as "have an interest to commit if accepted to > the ASF". Why didn't they contribute before? It reads a bit like they want > to have an @apache.org e-mail address than a real interest in the project. > > Hopefully other IPMC'lers find some time to comment here too. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Kasper Sørensen < > kasper.soren...@humaninference.com> wrote: > > Just for reference, I'd add to Sameer's mail that the proposal is here: > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MetaModelProposal > > > > We would very much appreciate if one or more apache champions will help > us to get further in the process. > > > > Kasper > > > > -Original Message- > > From: sameer arora [mailto:sameer11...@gmail.com] > > Sent: 10. marts 2013 05:50 > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] MetaModel join the Apache Incubator > > > > Hi, > > > > I have been working on Metamodel as a developer for the last 1.5 > years.We are also working on adding Hbase support to Metamodel to cater the &
