Re: Clutch color coding
David Crossley wrote: Tim Williams wrote: Hi David, Nice to hear from you Tim. I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind. It would help to find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)? Anyway, my nit-picky 2cents. That is a very important point. I will refine the colours today. Thanks for your help. Hey wow, i think we can please everyone. My searches led to the Color Universal Design (CUD) Colorblind barrier-free color Pallette by Masataka Okabe and Kei Ito. [1] They have developed a set of colours that are unambiguous. See my test page at http://people.apache.org/~crossley/cud/test.html The top section shows results for simulation for the new CUD scheme. The important parts of the table are emphasised for everybody. The bottom section shows shows results for simulation for the red-orange-green scheme. The results are very poor for the two main colour vision deficiencies. I would to acknowledge the assistance of some great public on-line tools which enabled me to do this work: [1] http://jfly.iam.u-tokyo.ac.jp/color/#pallet Color Universal Design (CUD) - How to make figures and presentations that are friendly to Colorblind people [2] http://www.etre.com/tools/colourblindsimulator/ Colour Blindness Simulator - Etre. [2] http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ Colorblind Web Page Filter. [3] http://gmazzocato.altervista.org/colorwheel/wheel.php Accessibility Color Wheel. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:09 AM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Crossley wrote: Tim Williams wrote: Hi David, Nice to hear from you Tim. I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind. It would help to find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)? Anyway, my nit-picky 2cents. That is a very important point. I will refine the colours today. Thanks for your help. Hey wow, i think we can please everyone. My searches led to the Color Universal Design (CUD) Colorblind barrier-free color Pallette by Masataka Okabe and Kei Ito. [1] They have developed a set of colours that are unambiguous. See my test page at http://people.apache.org/~crossley/cud/test.html The top section shows results for simulation for the new CUD scheme. The important parts of the table are emphasised for everybody. It looks great David - it's nice to be able to just 'see' the differences with colors vs. reading it:) Thanks for doing the research and taking the extra time to make this tool accessible to everyone. --tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:30 AM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Crossley wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Clutch is an invaluable tool, but with some coloring issues according to me: the current coloring schema is not well suited to alert me, or they alert me at the wrong moment, or don't alert me when things get out of shape. ... Anyway, i will attempt to change to such new colours, yet still retain the encouragement. I am happy with the result. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html after the next publishing rsync. There are some screenshots for comparison. http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/ Hi David, I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind. It would help to find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)? Anyway, my nit-picky 2cents. --tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Crossley wrote: ...I am happy with the result. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html after the next publishing rsync What I'm seeing there is like http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume the sync is done? If that's the case, note that the 3 and 24 colors at the top are the same, or too close IMHO. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
IMO they can remain too close or the same. There is no difference in attention for t3 or 18t24. Both require attention. Martijn On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Crossley wrote: ...I am happy with the result. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html after the next publishing rsync What I'm seeing there is like http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume the sync is done? If that's the case, note that the 3 and 24 colors at the top are the same, or too close IMHO. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.4 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
Martijn Dashorst wrote: IMO they can remain too close or the same. There is no difference in attention for t3 or 18t24. Both require attention. They are deliberately exactly the same. See the discussion earlier in this thread. That was a major breakthrough, with what the page is attempting to portray: where is the care and attention needed. -David Martijn Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: ...I am happy with the result. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html after the next publishing rsync What I'm seeing there is like http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume the sync is done? If that's the case, note that the 3 and 24 colors at the top are the same, or too close IMHO. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
Tim Williams wrote: Hi David, Nice to hear from you Tim. I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind. It would help to find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)? Anyway, my nit-picky 2cents. That is a very important point. A quick search found these: http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/color-spectrum-chart.shtml http://www.etre.com/tools/colourblindsimulator/ I will refine the colours today. Thanks for your help. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clutch color coding
Clutch is an invaluable tool, but with some coloring issues according to me: the current coloring schema is not well suited to alert me, or they alert me at the wrong moment, or don't alert me when things get out of shape. Gold and murky are nice terms, but they translate very badly into web colors and are not in a default mental box which is conditioned to the stop-light coloring scheme. I'd expect when things go ok, don't need attention that the color is either neutral (white) or green. When things need attention they should be orange and when things are out of control or need more direct attention, the color should be red. For instance, the coloring range of days in incubator should IMO be: 3 months: orange 12 months: green 18 months: yellow 24 months: orange 24 months: red Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
Martijn Dashorst wrote: Clutch is an invaluable tool, but with some coloring issues according to me: the current coloring schema is not well suited to alert me, or they alert me at the wrong moment, or don't alert me when things get out of shape. Thanks for your feedback. I will try to explain my reasons and see if we can accommodate your concerns. The main purpose of the table is to encourage people to move along with their steps towards entry and graduation. It is not intended to wield a stick and wave red flags. For example, it is not encouragement for a project to see red against them just because they have not yet managed to set up their website or achieve their first release. We don't want to hassle them for *not* having done something, rather praise them for doing something. Also i was trying to retain the incubation metaphor: a clutch of golden yolk eggs is good, old ones begin to smell. That is easy to modify: hatch green eggs and go. So those were some motivations. Lets find a better colour scheme. Gold and murky are nice terms, but they translate very badly into web colors and are not in a default mental box which is conditioned to the stop-light coloring scheme. Now with more and more Chinese developers, e.g. Bluesky, red means up/good. However, they would be used to operating in western ways, so i have not considered that. I'd expect when things go ok, don't need attention that the color is either neutral (white) or green. When things need attention they should be orange and when things are out of control or need more direct attention, the color should be red. For instance, the coloring range of days in incubator should IMO be: less than 3 months: orange less than 12 months: green less than 18 months: yellow less than 24 months: orange greater than 24 months: red That re-use of orange to mean needs extra care is clever. It brings attention at both ends of their stay. Anyway, i will attempt to change to such new colours, yet still retain the encouragement. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clutch color coding
David Crossley wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Clutch is an invaluable tool, but with some coloring issues according to me: the current coloring schema is not well suited to alert me, or they alert me at the wrong moment, or don't alert me when things get out of shape. ... Anyway, i will attempt to change to such new colours, yet still retain the encouragement. I am happy with the result. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html after the next publishing rsync. There are some screenshots for comparison. http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/ -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
