Re: Kato status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-16 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
 terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
 status review was the source of this:

 On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
 2008-11-06 Kato

 S: Zero activity.
 R: Terminate.

 This was based on looking at commit and kato-dev@ list activity, both
 zero or very low for an extended amount of time. There was no recent
 status report.

 Now, as has been pointed out, the project is facing some unique
 constraints that I wasn't aware of. Thus I followed up:

 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 The status of Kato (in relation to Oracle's actions) is being
 evaluated. Ant is helping the community.

 Based on the thread at [1]. The resulting status report [2] suggests
 that before the next report the community should decide in what form
 the podling should continue, if at all.

 As far as I'm concerned, that's a reasonable step forward. I'm looking
 forward to seeing a followup discussion about this on kato-dev@. The
 results should be summarized as an action plan in the next status
 report.


Thanks Jukka, I'll make sure that happens.

   ...ant

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Re: Kato status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to
 terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original
 status review was the source of this:

:-)

 On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:
 2008-11-06 Kato

 S: Zero activity.
 R: Terminate.

 This was based on looking at commit and kato-dev@ list activity, both
 zero or very low for an extended amount of time. There was no recent
 status report.

AFAICT Soon after entry, the standards process stalled. This stopped
active development. Most of the activity after then has been the
community trying to find a way around the standards issue, with little
success. Progress depends on Oracle coming to a decision (one way or
the other) about the future of the standard. This might happen today,
tomorrow or in ten years time.

Robert

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