Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Daniel Shahaf wrote: Christian Grobmeier wrote: Daniel Shahaf wrote: +liGitHub/li +liSourceForge.net/li +liGoogle Code/li +liOhloh/li +lia href=http://tsdr.uspto.gov;USPTO/a/li +liGoogle, Bing, Yahoo/li +lia href=http://www.trademarkia.com;Trademarkia/a/li Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page? If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should be exactly one canonical location for such info.) I didn't find one, /me surprised Yes there was already documentation. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html Some of the discussions that devised the process: http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-1 Subject: Trademark Kill Searches... Date: 2011-10-25 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-2 Subject: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...] Date: 2011-11-09 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-3 Subject: [Podling Suitable Name Search] Feedback Please Date: 2011-11-22 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-4 Subject: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain? Date: 2011-11-29 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-5 Subject: Help Wanted: Improved Podling Name Search Documentation Date: 2012-01-15 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-6 Subject: [names] Public Review Date: 2012-01-29 http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-7 Subject: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator) Date: 2013-03-18 -David thats why I took the time and worked on this docs. I extracted the information from the old Jira issues. Thanks. And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the incubator docs first. As long as it is not named NAMESEARCH only I think it belongs to the incubator. If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Hi Christian, On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections welcome, right now or after the commit)... I like it, just a nitpick: I'd say Good examples are instead of they should look like. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
[ NOTE, crossposted public/private lists ] Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:43:46 +0100: Hello, I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections welcome, right now or after the commit) cheers $ svn diff Index: content/guides/graduation.xml === --- content/guides/graduation.xml (revision 1457669) +++ content/guides/graduation.xml (working copy) @@ -285,6 +285,33 @@ and some common-sense hints for a href=http://apache.org/dev/project-names.html;Choosing names for ASF projects/a. /p +p +Before a podling can graduate, a podling suitable names search must be done. For this, please open +a JIRA request in the a href=https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH;Podling Suitable Names Searc JIRA space/a. They should look like: Search + +ul +lia href=https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-26;Apache Open Climate Workbench/a/li +lia href=https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-27;Apache Onami/a/li +/ul +/p +p +Please consider to research at least the following sources: +ul +liGitHub/li +liSourceForge.net/li +liGoogle Code/li +liOhloh/li +lia href=http://tsdr.uspto.gov;USPTO/a/li +liGoogle, Bing, Yahoo/li +lia href=http://www.trademarkia.com;Trademarkia/a/li Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page? If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should be exactly one canonical location for such info.) And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. +/ul +/p +p +Note all results in the according JIRA issues. When done, inform trademarks @ apache.org that you have finished your research. Please wait, until the trademarks team has interpreted your findings and theV.P. Branding approves your request. Trademark It's important that the jira records only facts and not interpretations of them. That's one of the reasons you should avoid re-describing the process, and should instead just link to wherever it's already documented at. Also, missing space. Next time consider running a spellchecker. acceptance is not decided by lazy consens. consensus +/p +p +Onces the name is approved, you can resolve the Once JIRA issue and update your status page. +/p /section section id='releases' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Thanks Bertrand, if fixed that (locally) On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi Christian, On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections welcome, right now or after the commit)... I like it, just a nitpick: I'd say Good examples are instead of they should look like. -Bertrand -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: +liGitHub/li +liSourceForge.net/li +liGoogle Code/li +liOhloh/li +lia href=http://tsdr.uspto.gov;USPTO/a/li +liGoogle, Bing, Yahoo/li +lia href=http://www.trademarkia.com;Trademarkia/a/li Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page? If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should be exactly one canonical location for such info.) I didn't find one, thats why I took the time and worked on this docs. I extracted the information from the old Jira issues. And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the incubator docs first. As long as it is not named NAMESEARCH only I think it belongs to the incubator. +Note all results in the according JIRA issues. When done, inform trademarks @ apache.org that you have finished your research. Please wait, until the trademarks team has interpreted your findings and theV.P. Branding approves your request. Trademark It's important that the jira records only facts and not interpretations of them. That's one of the reasons you should avoid re-describing the process, and should instead just link to wherever it's already documented at. Which is where? I did this work because I cannot find the docs, not just because i have fun doing it. You could also provide a better wording if you are not happy with what I did. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 14:00:52 +0100: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: +liGitHub/li +liSourceForge.net/li +liGoogle Code/li +liOhloh/li +lia href=http://tsdr.uspto.gov;USPTO/a/li +liGoogle, Bing, Yahoo/li +lia href=http://www.trademarkia.com;Trademarkia/a/li Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page? If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should be exactly one canonical location for such info.) I didn't find one, /me surprised thats why I took the time and worked on this docs. I extracted the information from the old Jira issues. Thanks. And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the incubator docs first. As long as it is not named NAMESEARCH only I think it belongs to the incubator. If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the incubator docs first. As long as it is not named NAMESEARCH only I think it belongs to the incubator. If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it. afaik Apache Steve didn't go through the incubator, right? Probably thats why they didn't do a name search: https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH I do not know if there is a policy for non-incubating projects/products to do a podlingnamesearch. If there is one, it makes certainly sense to rename the PODLINGNAMESEARCH into NAMESEARCH, move my docs out to a better place (trademarks) and communicate the policy to the projects (I didn't know much about podlingnamesearch until last week - I know a few people who all thought it would be a lazy consensus thing). That said, this is something which needs to be discussed on trademarks. And it will take some time for which i do not have the cycles right now. My goal is to document what i have learned now in the hope it is of help to other podlings which need this information. Are you fine with my commit or do you first want to start discussing at trademarks? Cheers Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
In short: I think your text is good but belong on www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ rather than on the incubator docs. I'll reply on private lists with more detail Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 16:40:49 +0100: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/, but that might be an issue for another patch. Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the incubator docs first. As long as it is not named NAMESEARCH only I think it belongs to the incubator. If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it. afaik Apache Steve didn't go through the incubator, right? Probably thats why they didn't do a name search: https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH I do not know if there is a policy for non-incubating projects/products to do a podlingnamesearch. If there is one, it makes certainly sense to rename the PODLINGNAMESEARCH into NAMESEARCH, move my docs out to a better place (trademarks) and communicate the policy to the projects (I didn't know much about podlingnamesearch until last week - I know a few people who all thought it would be a lazy consensus thing). That said, this is something which needs to be discussed on trademarks. And it will take some time for which i do not have the cycles right now. My goal is to document what i have learned now in the hope it is of help to other podlings which need this information. Are you fine with my commit or do you first want to start discussing at trademarks? Cheers Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
