RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Thank you for the explanation and the offer, Cliff! Martin -Original Message- From: Cliff Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? BTW, I should probably point out that I'm not a member of the Incubator PMC, just a guy who's been through this process and cares about making it easier. So, take this as my opinion based on experience and interpretation of the policy documents -- not an official PMC answer. Cliff Cliff Schmidt wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:01 PM: > I certainly understand your concern here, Martin. According to our > current Incubator policy document > (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Release > s%0A), > for an incubating project to create a release: > > 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the > filename; and > > 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, clearly > visible in the main documentation or README file. (the disclaimer text > can be found at > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding > %0A). > > With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still > vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently > running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree > with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. > There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to > cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC. > > So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I > don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two > basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual > property in the distribution is properly licensed. > > Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of > these release process issues. > > Cliff > > > Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM: > >> Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help >> from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to >> polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I >> have left out the technical stuff so far. >> >> Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as >> soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore >> except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release >> early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation >> time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and >> 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to >> fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to >> the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions >> coming up... >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? >> >> >> Martin, >> >> Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a >> model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there >> is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to >> incubate it. >> >> I've created an outline page for you to start: >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal >> >> Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add >> yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your >> interest in helping. >> >> --- Noel >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
BTW, I should probably point out that I'm not a member of the Incubator PMC, just a guy who's been through this process and cares about making it easier. So, take this as my opinion based on experience and interpretation of the policy documents -- not an official PMC answer. Cliff Cliff Schmidt wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:01 PM: > I certainly understand your concern here, Martin. According to our > current Incubator policy document > (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0A), > for an incubating project to create a release: > > 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the > filename; and > > 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, > clearly visible in the main documentation or README file. > (the disclaimer text can be found at > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding%0A). > > With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still > vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently > running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree > with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. > There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to > cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC. > > So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I > don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two > basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual > property in the distribution is properly licensed. > > Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of > these release process issues. > > Cliff > > > Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM: > >> Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help >> from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to >> polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I >> have left out the technical stuff so far. >> >> Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as >> soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore >> except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release >> early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation >> time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and >> 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to >> fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to >> the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions >> coming up... >> >> Best regards, >> >> Martin >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? >> >> >> Martin, >> >> Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a >> model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there >> is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to >> incubate it. >> >> I've created an outline page for you to start: >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal >> >> Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add >> yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your >> interest in helping. >> >> --- Noel >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I certainly understand your concern here, Martin. According to our current Incubator policy document (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0A), for an incubating project to create a release: 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the filename; and 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, clearly visible in the main documentation or README file. (the disclaimer text can be found at http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding%0A). With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC. So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual property in the distribution is properly licensed. Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of these release process issues. Cliff Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM: > Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help > from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to > polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I > have left out the technical stuff so far. > > Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as > soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore > except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release > early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation > time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and > 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to > fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to > the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions > coming up... > > Best regards, > > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > Martin, > > Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a > model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there > is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to > incubate it. > > I've created an outline page for you to start: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal > > Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add > yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your > interest in helping. > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I have left out the technical stuff so far. Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions coming up... Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Thanks for the info. I added myself to the sponsor list. -James -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Martin, Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces. It appears that there is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to incubate it. I've created an outline page for you to start: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your interest in helping. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, As to tell you the current state and final result - I believe that all project members who have ever committed source-code have voted, but we will check that once more (just to be completely assured), I have counted 9 positive votes, and 1 reluctant neutral one, so we should be all set. So I would say it is your go for voting and (if deciding positively) setting up the PPMC now, dear maybe-incubators ;) Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > we will need some help - I guess the project mentor would be there to > do exactly that. We setup something called a PPMC, and there will be ASF folks helping you to adjust and become attuned to how things work in the ASF. :-) > regarding to infrastructure - it would be great to be able to shift > slowly, but I don't know if we have to do that before Incubation, or > if it can happen during Incubation?! You don't need to move everything at once. Some things could come later than others. First priority would be your developer mailing list and CVS, IMO. > If we have to move bug/issue-tracker, mailing lists... what about the > existing issues, bugs and mails? There is quite some amount in the > systems, is there some easy way you guys know of the get them over > from sourceforge to the respective tools used for that by the ASF? Several projects have moved their infrastructure without too much hassle. I'm not sure what can be done about moving issues. Moving the CVS modules is both important and fairly straightforward, IIRC. Given a list of people, we technically could subscribe them, but a general mail administration policy is that people should re-subscribe themselves, so that no one can claim that they were involuntarily subscribed (i.e., spammed). --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
> we will need some help - I guess the project mentor would be > there to do exactly that. We setup something called a PPMC, and there will be ASF folks helping you to adjust and become attuned to how things work in the ASF. :-) > regarding to infrastructure - it would be great to be able to shift > slowly, but I don't know if we have to do that before Incubation, > or if it can happen during Incubation?! You don't need to move everything at once. Some things could come later than others. First priority would be your developer mailing list and CVS, IMO. > If we have to move bug/issue-tracker, mailing lists... what about > the existing issues, bugs and mails? There is quite some amount in > the systems, is there some easy way you guys know of the get them > over from sourceforge to the respective tools used for that by the ASF? Several projects have moved their infrastructure without too much hassle. I'm not sure what can be done about moving issues. Moving the CVS modules is both important and fairly straightforward, IIRC. Given a list of people, we technically could subscribe them, but a general mail administration policy is that people should re-subscribe themselves, so that no one can claim that they were involuntarily subscribed (i.e., spammed). --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I reread the article (I did skim it once when I first noticed the Incubator project) and I think I understand the basic principles. Still, we will need some help - I guess the project mentor would be there to do exactly that. And regarding to infrastructure - it would be great to be able to shift slowly, but I don't know if we have to do that before Incubation, or if it can happen during Incubation?! Martin -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Martin, Sorry if the reply is redundant. In general, you will find a number of opinions on the topic of infrastructure. I have generally found that the ASF adapts to the needs of individual projects - some projects use Subversion and some projects use CVS. Similarly, some projects use Jira and some projects use Bugzilla. It should just be clear that no one is going to mandate any particular technology; instead, there are general practices which will make integration with the larger ASF community easier. Also, people are going to start throwing around terms like PMC and TLP, I'd recommend taking some time to read: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html. This will go a long way to demystify the ASF and the Incubator. Tim O'Brien -Original Message- From: Marinschek Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Another question - what do we have to change regarding project infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? Martin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Martin, > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. > I expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this > week about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, it's good that we don't have to switch to Maven - I think we would need some time to set that up... If we have to move bug/issue-tracker, mailing lists... what about the existing issues, bugs and mails? There is quite some amount in the systems, is there some easy way you guys know of the get them over from sourceforge to the respective tools used for that by the ASF? Or is the recommended thing to do to drive in parallel for some time? Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? James Holmes wrote: > My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta Well, I think that Jakarta has enough on its plate, and wouldn't necessarily favor adding a cohesive community into that maelstrom. But that is something that can be determined later, when the project is ready to leave the Incubator. > are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the > current MyFaces committers to get started? They are voting on that, but we (the Incubator PMC) will also need to hold a vote to accept the project for Incubation, now that we can see clear interest from multiple ASF folks willing to help. Martin Marinschek wrote: > Another question - what do we have to change regarding project > infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? Do > we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? The project's infrastructure (lists, source control, issue tracking) would be moved to the ASF. No, you do not have to embrace Maven. Ant, which you seem to be using, is just fine. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Martin, Sorry if the reply is redundant. In general, you will find a number of opinions on the topic of infrastructure. I have generally found that the ASF adapts to the needs of individual projects - some projects use Subversion and some projects use CVS. Similarly, some projects use Jira and some projects use Bugzilla. It should just be clear that no one is going to mandate any particular technology; instead, there are general practices which will make integration with the larger ASF community easier. Also, people are going to start throwing around terms like PMC and TLP, I'd recommend taking some time to read: http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html. This will go a long way to demystify the ASF and the Incubator. Tim O'Brien -Original Message- From: Marinschek Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Another question - what do we have to change regarding project infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? Martin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Martin, > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. > I > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week > about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
James Holmes wrote: > My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta Well, I think that Jakarta has enough on its plate, and wouldn't necessarily favor adding a cohesive community into that maelstrom. But that is something that can be determined later, when the project is ready to leave the Incubator. > are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current > MyFaces committers to get started? They are voting on that, but we (the Incubator PMC) will also need to hold a vote to accept the project for Incubation, now that we can see clear interest from multiple ASF folks willing to help. Martin Marinschek wrote: > Another question - what do we have to change regarding project > infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? > Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? The project's infrastructure (lists, source control, issue tracking) would be moved to the ASF. No, you do not have to embrace Maven. Ant, which you seem to be using, is just fine. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
On 15.06.2004, at 18:32, Marinschek Martin wrote: Another question - what do we have to change regarding project infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? The most basic things you'd have to move are source code management (SVN, CVS), mailing lists (ezmlm), issue-tracking (Bugzilla, Jira), the website, wikis, ... The rest is basically up to the developer community or the PMC :) For more details see: http://www.apache.org/dev/ especially http://www.apache.org/dev/project-creation.html (though this is for a TLP) There are some other things to obeye (mirroring guidelines, Gump integration, PGP stuff) but I suppose you'll learn them as you go. Cheers, Erik Martin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Martin, Fine to hear that some interest is there! So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. I expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I don't think there's ever been a directive to use Maven. We're investigating it for the Struts build, but for now Ant is still our official build tool. If you do *choose* to use Maven, I believe the project still needs to be able to be built from Ant for Gump and nightly builds. Maven has a target than generates the Ant build file, so this is not a big deal. Steve > -Original Message- > From: Marinschek Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: June 15, 2004 9:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > Another question - what do we have to change regarding > project infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to > be a project? Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow > ship around this? > > Martin > > -Original Message- > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of > Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I > presume it could be moved to another "home" later. > > BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from > all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? > > -James > > -Original Message- > From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Martin, > > > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a > MyFaces PPMC. > > I > > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to > decide this week > > about Incubation. > > I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. > > It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta > and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over > on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a > sponsoring PMC. > > geir > > > > > --- Noel > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I'd also support sponsoring this project through Struts PMC or Jakarta PMC. I'm not involved in Geronimo, but have no problems if it's brought on board via that route. If I can help in any practical way, I will. Steve > -Original Message- > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: June 14, 2004 10:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > > Martin, > > > Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a > MyFaces PPMC. I > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide > this week > about Incubation. > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Another question - what do we have to change regarding project infrastructure to enter the incubator/ and later to be a project? Do we have to embrace Maven or can we somehow ship around this? Martin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Martin, > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. > I > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week > about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
The vote is currently happening and we have 6 positive votes and one "ok, if it has to be" ;) so far... We started to vote today, so I would give the others some time to make their point clear, afterwards we can go ahead. Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Martin, > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. > I > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week > about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
My guess is that it would be best served as a sub-project of Jakarta, however, I'm somewhat indifferent. If necessary, I presume it could be moved to another "home" later. BTW, are all we waiting on is a formal license adoption from all of the current MyFaces committers to get started? -James -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Martin, > >> Fine to hear that some interest is there! > > So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes > (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. > I > expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week > about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir > > --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Martin, Fine to hear that some interest is there! So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. I expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week about Incubation. I'll be happy to participate on the PPMC. It's not clear to me that Geronimo is the best place for it - Jakarta and Struts come to mind - but that's something for us to discuss over on Geronimo-land and get back to the Incubator about us being a sponsoring PMC. geir --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Ok, as to the community: The community consists mainly of independent developers. As far as I know, only the two founder members and me are working together on a project in an Austrian bank (the OeKB "Austrian Control Bank", free translation ;), but two of us are freelancers and have founded our own company, so that would not really account for a "concentration". As for the others, afaik there are no relations whatsoever except for the fact that we are all working together to make MyFaces a success! If you are interested in the traffic on user/dev list : in the last two weeks, there were around 150 messages circulating on these lists, so the community is by now pretty active. Best regards (and thanks for your efforts) Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > Fine to hear that some interest is there! Seems like it. :-) We're just in the process of lining up some folks who would be working with you to help in the Incubation process. Meanwhile, can you provide some information about your Community? Is it largely independent developers? Is there a concentration from one organization (e.g., a company)? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Martin, > Fine to hear that some interest is there! So far, I have heard from Dain Sundstrom (Geronimo) and James Holmes (Struts) that they are interested in participating on a MyFaces PPMC. I expect we'll hear from others, and ought to be able to decide this week about Incubation. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Bruce Snyder wrote: > Bill Dudney and I were talking about this back in March and I said > that it might be a good subproject for Geronimo. Any opinions? The same might be said of being a sub-project in Jakarta, Struts or Portals. I'm not particularly concerned with where it ends up, or if it becomes a TLP. Either way, we'd setup its PPMC, and would welcome participation from people who wish to join the project and help with incubation. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
> Fine to hear that some interest is there! Seems like it. :-) We're just in the process of lining up some folks who would be working with you to help in the Incubation process. Meanwhile, can you provide some information about your Community? Is it largely independent developers? Is there a concentration from one organization (e.g., a company)? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
This one time, at band camp, Jim Jagielski said:
JJ>On Jun 13, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Tim O'Brien wrote:
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JJ>> I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this, but there
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JJ>> need to be a sponsoring entity, champion, and mentor. I don't think
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JJ>> would be a problem, but you should take a look at the "Roles and
JJ>> Responsibilities" page.
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JJ>> MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright
JJ>> holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright
JJ>> holder can
JJ>> modify a license. For a project to be within the ASF, the license
JJ>> would
JJ>> need to change to the Apache License, version 2.0. FYI, more info on
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JJ>> Apache License can be found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
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JJ>If the entire team is willing to move to the AL, then
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Bill Dudney and I were talking about this back in March and I said that
it might be a good subproject for Geronimo. Any opinions?
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Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
On Jun 14, 2004, at 7:05 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 13, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Tim O'Brien wrote: I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this, but there would need to be a sponsoring entity, champion, and mentor. I don't think this would be a problem, but you should take a look at the "Roles and Responsibilities" page. MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright holder can modify a license. For a project to be within the ASF, the license would need to change to the Apache License, version 2.0. FYI, more info on the Apache License can be found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/. If the entire team is willing to move to the AL, then I think it would be a worthwhile project for the ASF +1 -dain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
On Jun 13, 2004, at 2:23 PM, Tim O'Brien wrote: I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this, but there would need to be a sponsoring entity, champion, and mentor. I don't think this would be a problem, but you should take a look at the "Roles and Responsibilities" page. MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright holder can modify a license. For a project to be within the ASF, the license would need to change to the Apache License, version 2.0. FYI, more info on the Apache License can be found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/. If the entire team is willing to move to the AL, then I think it would be a worthwhile project for the ASF - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Fine to hear that some interest is there! I am sure that we can handle the license-issue somehow, as soon as this is necessary. Best regards, Martin -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marinschek Martin Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? Tim O'Brien wrote: > Marinschek Martin wrote: > > Our project would like to be part of the Jakarta-Family and is > > looking for someone interested to be the mentor for it... I am > > talking of MyFaces, currently hosted at sourceforge.net, which is an > > approach to an open-source implementation of the Java Server Faces > > Spec. > > > > We currently have 17 team members, and probably around 12 are > > actively involved in the project. > > I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this I would hope so, too. Anyone interested should say so, and I'm bcc'ing (for their privacy) a few people who might specifically have interest. The http://www.myfaces.org/ describes the project in detail. > MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright > holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright > holder can modify a license. When LDAPd came over, the team members each gave public e-mail approval for a team leader to sign the Software Grant on behalf of them all. They also each submitted CLAs in order to gain Committer status here. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Tim O'Brien wrote: > Marinschek Martin wrote: > > Our project would like to be part of the Jakarta-Family and > > is looking for someone interested to be the mentor for it... > > I am talking of MyFaces, currently hosted at sourceforge.net, > > which is an approach to an open-source implementation of the > > Java Server Faces Spec. > > > > We currently have 17 team members, and probably around 12 are > > actively involved in the project. > > I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this I would hope so, too. Anyone interested should say so, and I'm bcc'ing (for their privacy) a few people who might specifically have interest. The http://www.myfaces.org/ describes the project in detail. > MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright > holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright holder > can modify a license. When LDAPd came over, the team members each gave public e-mail approval for a team leader to sign the Software Grant on behalf of them all. They also each submitted CLAs in order to gain Committer status here. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
I'm fairly certain there is sufficient interest for this, but there would need to be a sponsoring entity, champion, and mentor. I don't think this would be a problem, but you should take a look at the "Roles and Responsibilities" page. MyFaces is currently licensed under an LGPL license, and the copyright holder is the MyFaces Team. My understanding is that a copyright holder can modify a license. For a project to be within the ASF, the license would need to change to the Apache License, version 2.0. FYI, more info on the Apache License can be found here: http://www.apache.org/licenses/. Tim O'Brien > -Original Message- > From: Marinschek Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces? > > Hi there, > > Our project would like to be part of the Jakarta-Family and > is looking for someone interested to be the mentor for it... > I am talking of MyFaces, currently hosted at sourceforge.net, > which is an approach to an open-source implementation of the > Java Server Faces Spec. > > We currently have 17 team members, and probably around 12 are > actively involved in the project. > > Would anyone of you be interested? > > Best regards, > > Martin > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
