Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On Thursday 04 October 2007 04:56, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: http://agileskills2.org/blog/2007/09/my_thoughts_on_the_differences.html i have the impression that howard is one of those people who dominates by his charisma and energy rather than any abuse of the process Yes, and I hope he has wisdom enough to mitigate confrontation should it arise. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On 9/25/07, Craig L Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. +1. If we knew for sure that a project would be able to attract a community, we would have much less need for incubation. +1 - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On 9/26/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. +1 Theres more of an issue IMO with projects that don't come thru the incubator, since they don't have to meet the Incubator's stringent graduation requirement. As an example - Tapestry was pushed out to a TLP from Jakarta, but the following blog from a Tapestry committer doesn't make good reading from a community PoV: http://agileskills2.org/blog/2007/09/my_thoughts_on_the_differences.html i have the impression that howard is one of those people who dominates by his charisma and energy rather than any abuse of the process - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Dims wrote: Niclas Hedhman asked: Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. Plus Kabuki, Heraldry, and possibly Lokahi. We still hope to save the latter, as there is consistently a lot of user interest, but the developer input has dwindled, and we need developers! ahh, now I understand why you've been trying to get me on the mail list :) The biggest departure I know of was not in the incubator, it was the implementation of bits of WS-RF that HP was doing under WS;, what was it, Apache Muse? suddenly corporate priorities got changed and all FTEs got reassigned to something else. It just sat there for a while before IBM took up the challenge with a port to Axis2. similarly, there was a bit of stutter in Axis1 when the IBM team suddenly dropped of the net. There was lots of other active developers, but there were whole swathes of things like Java-to-WSDL code that came from IBM and which the others suddenly needed to learn, because till now that area had been well covered by the IBM folk, but not oustandingly well documented. At least they provided lots of tests, which does make it easier for others to take on the maintenance task -it reduces the amount of damage done while learning. It seems to me then, that the problem is more than just in-incubator. -steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. +1 Theres more of an issue IMO with projects that don't come thru the incubator, since they don't have to meet the Incubator's stringent graduation requirement. As an example - Tapestry was pushed out to a TLP from Jakarta, but the following blog from a Tapestry committer doesn't make good reading from a community PoV: http://agileskills2.org/blog/2007/09/my_thoughts_on_the_differences.html Niall On 9/25/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims wrote: Niclas Hedhman asked: Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. Plus Kabuki, Heraldry, and possibly Lokahi. We still hope to save the latter, as there is consistently a lot of user interest, but the developer input has dwindled, and we need developers! --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. -- dims On 9/25/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 04:18, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: this is probably just an indication that it's time to starting thinking... +1 to all said. Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? It would be interesting to hear about... Not that this has much to do about the current proposal Pig... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. On 9/25/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims wrote: Niclas Hedhman asked: Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. Plus Kabuki, Heraldry, and possibly Lokahi. We still hope to save the latter, as there is consistently a lot of user interest, but the developer input has dwindled, and we need developers! --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. +1. If we knew for sure that a project would be able to attract a community, we would have much less need for incubation. Craig I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Alva Edison On 9/25/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims wrote: Niclas Hedhman asked: Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. Plus Kabuki, Heraldry, and possibly Lokahi. We still hope to save the latter, as there is consistently a lot of user interest, but the developer input has dwindled, and we need developers! --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. Neither do I. It merely underscores the need to make sure that there is such a sustainable community. But Niclas did ask for examples. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On 9/25/07, Guillaume Nodet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. Actually I think it's showing the incubator's success even if it's always sad to see a project die. I would see a problem if a project graduated successfully from the incubator and then got abandoned a few months later, which I haven't seen so far. So a strong corporate backing is maybe just a sign that more attention is going to be needed from mentors and the IPMC but I don't see it as worrying either. Matthieu On 9/25/07, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dims wrote: Niclas Hedhman asked: Do we have any examples where corporate backing has been withdrawn, and how the project was affected, whether inside or outside ASF? TSIK - Verisign folks lost interest, community did not form, project shelved. Plus Kabuki, Heraldry, and possibly Lokahi. We still hope to save the latter, as there is consistently a lot of user interest, but the developer input has dwindled, and we need developers! --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Effects on corporate backing withdrawals [was: Incubator Proposal: Pig]
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: One of the purpose of the incubator is to ensure that there is a sustainable developer community, so I don't see failure of incubating projects as a real problem. Neither do I... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
