Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Andrew Purtell]

Thank you Shane!


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Donald Szeto  wrote:

> Awesome. Thanks for your clarification Shane!
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:44 PM Shane Curcuru  wrote:
>
> > Andrew Purtell wrote on 10/3/17 5:59 PM:
> > > I think we can proceed to a vote as soon as Shane confirms we are good
> on
> > > the PredictionIO trademark transfer. Should we ping him?
> >
> > The trademark assignment is signed, so you're all set to vote for
> > graduation recommendation!
> >
> > Note that the ownership of the trademark in the USPTO's system will take
> > a while to file the paperwork to show the change of ownership (sometimes
> > a while...) but that doesn't matter for graduation.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - Shane
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Donald Szeto]

Awesome. Thanks for your clarification Shane!

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:44 PM Shane Curcuru  wrote:

> Andrew Purtell wrote on 10/3/17 5:59 PM:
> > I think we can proceed to a vote as soon as Shane confirms we are good on
> > the PredictionIO trademark transfer. Should we ping him?
>
> The trademark assignment is signed, so you're all set to vote for
> graduation recommendation!
>
> Note that the ownership of the trademark in the USPTO's system will take
> a while to file the paperwork to show the change of ownership (sometimes
> a while...) but that doesn't matter for graduation.
>
> --
>
> - Shane
>   https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Shane Curcuru]

Andrew Purtell wrote on 10/3/17 5:59 PM:
> I think we can proceed to a vote as soon as Shane confirms we are good on
> the PredictionIO trademark transfer. Should we ping him?

The trademark assignment is signed, so you're all set to vote for
graduation recommendation!

Note that the ownership of the trademark in the USPTO's system will take
a while to file the paperwork to show the change of ownership (sometimes
a while...) but that doesn't matter for graduation.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Donald Szeto]

Yes Andrew. That would be great.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:00 PM Andrew Purtell  wrote:

> I think we can proceed to a vote as soon as Shane confirms we are good on
> the PredictionIO trademark transfer. Should we ping him?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Donald Szeto  wrote:
>
> > Thanks everyone for input! Should we wait for more comments, or is this a
> > good time to move to a recommendation vote?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Donald
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Purtell
> > >  wrote:
> > > > ...I think they are ready to graduate...
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your comments, with this I'm +1 for graduation.
> > >
> > > The resolution looks good to me.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
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> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrew
>
> Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's
> decrepit hands
>- A23, Crosstalk
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Andrew Purtell]

I think we can proceed to a vote as soon as Shane confirms we are good on
the PredictionIO trademark transfer. Should we ping him?


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Donald Szeto  wrote:

> Thanks everyone for input! Should we wait for more comments, or is this a
> good time to move to a recommendation vote?
>
> Regards,
> Donald
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Purtell
> >  wrote:
> > > ...I think they are ready to graduate...
> >
> > Thank you very much for your comments, with this I'm +1 for graduation.
> >
> > The resolution looks good to me.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Donald Szeto]

Thanks everyone for input! Should we wait for more comments, or is this a
good time to move to a recommendation vote?

Regards,
Donald

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Purtell
>  wrote:
> > ...I think they are ready to graduate...
>
> Thank you very much for your comments, with this I'm +1 for graduation.
>
> The resolution looks good to me.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Pat Ferrel]

oh, nm I found it. Pasted below, there were no dissenters to Donald’s detailed 
assessment.


On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Pat Ferrel  wrote:

Actually we did go over the maturity checklist ourselves. Donald, maybe you can 
forwards the thread here.

 pasted from the thread on 
d...@predictionio.incubator.apache.org 
 ==



Begin forwarded message:

From: Donald Szeto 
Subject: Re: Graduation to TLP
Date: September 5, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM PDT
To: d...@predictionio.incubator.apache.org
Reply-To: d...@predictionio.incubator.apache.org

Thanks for the clarification Pat! It always help to have Apache veterans to
provide historical context to these processes.

As for me, I'd like to remain as PMC and committer.

I like the idea of polling the current committers and PMC, but like you
said, most of them got pretty busy and may not be reading mailing list in a
while. Maybe let me try a shout out here and see if anyone would
acknowledge it, so that we know whether a poll will be effective.

*>> If you're a PMC or committer who see this line but hasn't been replying
this thread, please acknowledge. <<*

Regarding the maturity model, this is my perception right now:
- CD10, CD20, CD30, CD40 (and we start to have CD50 as well)
- LC10, LC20, LC30, LC40, LC50
- RE10, RE20, RE30, RE50 (I think we hope to also do RE40 with 0.12)
- QU10, QU30, QU40, QU50 (we should put a bit of focus to QU20)
- CO10, CO20, CO30, CO40, CO60, CO70 (for CO50, I think we've been
operating under the assumption that PMC and contributors are pretty
standard definitions by ASF. We can call those out explicitly.)
- CS10, CS50 (We are also assuming implicitly CS20, CS30, and CS40 from
main ASF doc)
- IN10, IN20

Let me know what you think.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Pat Ferrel > wrote:

> The Chair, PMC, and Committers may be different after graduation.
> PMC/committers are sometimes not active committers but can have a valuable
> role as mentors, in non-technical roles, as support people on the mailing
> list, or as sometimes committers who don’t seem very active but come in
> every so often to make a key contribution. So I hope this doesn’t become a
> time to prune too deeply. I’d suggest we only do that if one of the
> committers has done something to lessen our project maturity or wants to be
> left out for their own reasons. An example of bad behavior is someone
> trying to exert corporate dominance (which is severely frowned on by the
> ASF). Another would be someone who is disruptive to the point of destroying
> team effectiveness. I personally haven’t seen any of this but purposely
> don’t read everything so chime in here.
> 
> It would be good to have people declare their interest-level. As for me,
> I’d like to remain on the PMC as a committer but have no interest in Chair.
> Since people can become busy periodically and not read @dev (me?) we could,
> maybe should, poll the current committers and PMC to get the lists ready
> for the graduation proposal.
> 
> 
> Don’t forget that we are not just asking for dev community opinion about
> graduation. We are also asking that people check things like the Maturity
> Checklist to see it we are ready. http://community.apache.org/
> apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html <
> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html 
> >
> People seem fairly enthusiastic about applying for graduation, but are
> there things we need to do before hand? The goal is to show that we do not
> require the second level check for decisions that the IPMC provides. The
> last release required no changes but had a proviso about content licenses.
> This next release should fly through without provisos IMHO. Are there other
> things we should do?
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:16 AM, takako shimamoto  wrote:
> 
> I entirely agree with everyone else.
> I hope the PIO community will become more active after graduation.
> 
>> 2. If we are to graduate, who should we include in the list of the
> initial
>> PMC?
> 
> Don't all present IPMC members are included in the list of the initial PMC?
> 
> Personally, I think we may as well check and see if present IPMC
> members intend to become an initial PMC for graduation.
> Members who make a declaration of intent to become it will surely
> contribute to the project.
> It is a great contribution not only to develop a program but also to
> respond to email aggressively or fix document.
> 
> 
> 2017-08-29 14:20 GMT+09:00 Donald Szeto :
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since the ASF Board meeting in May (
>> http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2017/board_
> minutes_2017_05_17.txt),
>> PredictionIO has been considered nearing graduation and I think we are
>> almost 

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Pat Ferrel]

Actually we did go over the maturity checklist ourselves. Donald, maybe you can 
forwards the thread here.


On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz  
wrote:

Hi John,

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...I wouldn't conflate lack of mentor engagement with a project's readiness to
> graduate, though I do agree with just hearing from them...

Yes, what I was asking for is a clear statement from the mentors about
graduation readiness, as I think they are the best placed to judge
that. Andrew has provided that now.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi John,

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...I wouldn't conflate lack of mentor engagement with a project's readiness to
> graduate, though I do agree with just hearing from them...

Yes, what I was asking for is a clear statement from the mentors about
graduation readiness, as I think they are the best placed to judge
that. Andrew has provided that now.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi Andrew,

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Andrew Purtell
 wrote:
> ...I think they are ready to graduate...

Thank you very much for your comments, with this I'm +1 for graduation.

The resolution looks good to me.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Andrew Purtell]

I am mentor and champion.

I've made some comment on the incubator reports to the board about readiness, 
in the past few reports. PredictionIO has gotten the hang of making releases, 
is reliably following ASF policies and practice (I lurk on all the lists), has 
grown their PPMC, and on their own initiative raised the prospect of 
graduation, self-assessing they are ready, which is a signal of readiness in 
its own right in my opinion. They've done this despite a lack of engagement of 
their mentors.

I think they are ready to graduate. 

If you would like me to expand on any of this please ask. 


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:59 AM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:35 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:50 AM, Donald Szeto  wrote:
>>> ...Please provide your feedback on this proposed graduation resolution
>> by the
>>> PredictionIO community below...
>> 
>> Maybe I missed something but looking at the links below, that you
>> provided before, I see very few comments from your mentors about
>> PredictionIO's readiness for graduation.
>> 
>> 
> I wouldn't conflate lack of mentor engagement with a project's readiness to
> graduate, though I do agree with just hearing from them.
> 
> 
>> Could we have a stronger statement from your mentors about that? Or
>> links to that if I missed it.
>> 
>> Also, has there been an assessment of the project's maturity as per
>> [0] ? It is not a strong requirement but often a great way to find
>> things that might have been overlooked during incubation.
>> 
> 
> I see [3], but to reiterate completing the maturity assessment is not a
> requirement for the incubator to recommend them for graduation.
> 
> [3]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/94f22dd6e81063af020a206f59ac7137c7e52f2d2664639093ce17e2@%3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Bertrand
>> 
>> [0]
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> 2b4ef7c394584988cf0c99920824afaa60ee4c648d5c0069b1bf55c0@%
>> 3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E
>> 
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> 1b06e510773ee1d315728e0ce25f220c9cf7d9e8ad601ec9dba4fe1d@%
>> 3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[John D. Ament]

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:35 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:50 AM, Donald Szeto  wrote:
> > ...Please provide your feedback on this proposed graduation resolution
> by the
> > PredictionIO community below...
>
> Maybe I missed something but looking at the links below, that you
> provided before, I see very few comments from your mentors about
> PredictionIO's readiness for graduation.
>
>
I wouldn't conflate lack of mentor engagement with a project's readiness to
graduate, though I do agree with just hearing from them.


> Could we have a stronger statement from your mentors about that? Or
> links to that if I missed it.
>
> Also, has there been an assessment of the project's maturity as per
> [0] ? It is not a strong requirement but often a great way to find
> things that might have been overlooked during incubation.
>

I see [3], but to reiterate completing the maturity assessment is not a
requirement for the incubator to recommend them for graduation.

[3]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/94f22dd6e81063af020a206f59ac7137c7e52f2d2664639093ce17e2@%3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E


>
> -Bertrand
>
> [0]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
> 2b4ef7c394584988cf0c99920824afaa60ee4c648d5c0069b1bf55c0@%
> 3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E
>
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
> 1b06e510773ee1d315728e0ce25f220c9cf7d9e8ad601ec9dba4fe1d@%
> 3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E
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Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed resolution to graduate the PredictionIO podling

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

Hi,

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:50 AM, Donald Szeto  wrote:
> ...Please provide your feedback on this proposed graduation resolution by the
> PredictionIO community below...

Maybe I missed something but looking at the links below, that you
provided before, I see very few comments from your mentors about
PredictionIO's readiness for graduation.

Could we have a stronger statement from your mentors about that? Or
links to that if I missed it.

Also, has there been an assessment of the project's maturity as per
[0] ? It is not a strong requirement but often a great way to find
things that might have been overlooked during incubation.

-Bertrand

[0] https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html


[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
2b4ef7c394584988cf0c99920824afaa60ee4c648d5c0069b1bf55c0@%
3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E

[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
1b06e510773ee1d315728e0ce25f220c9cf7d9e8ad601ec9dba4fe1d@%
3Cdev.predictionio.apache.org%3E

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