Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Hello! Ted Husted wrote: ... Once the IP is cleared, we can move it to the MyFaces area, and deal with things like new committers as MyFaces project issues. We faxed the ICLAs and CCLA to the ASF last Wednesday. Additionally we sent them per snail mail as a precaution. Is there anything else we can do? Thanks in advance, Arvid Hülsebus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
On 9/6/05, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I didn't argument against using the incubator infrastructure. Nobody seemed too interested here, though (in contradiction to the MyFaces community, who was very interested), that's why Ted probably thought about going through the MyFaces sandbox directly as a code grant is already in place and the licensing issue is very clear. No problem at all for going through a separate incubator SVN - Ted ? and thanks for at least some feedback to this proposal ;) Perhaps the best thing to do would be to vet just the code through the incubator. Once the IP is cleared, we can move it to the MyFaces area, and deal with things like new committers as MyFaces project issues. I'm not comfortable asking root for new accounts or other resources under the auspices of the Incubator PMC when we don't have a quorum of three binding +1s here. -T. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
On 9/5/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/05, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I didn't argument against using the incubator infrastructure. Nobody seemed too interested here, though (in contradiction to the MyFaces community, who was very interested), that's why Ted probably thought about going through the MyFaces sandbox directly as a code grant is already in place and the licensing issue is very clear. No problem at all for going through a separate incubator SVN - Ted ? and thanks for at least some feedback to this proposal ;) Perhaps the best thing to do would be to vet just the code through the incubator. Once the IP is cleared, we can move it to the MyFaces area, and deal with things like new committers as MyFaces project issues. I'm not comfortable asking root for new accounts or other resources under the auspices of the Incubator PMC when we don't have a quorum of three binding +1s here. I've read the proposal and looked at the current project site. As a member of the Incubator PMC, I'd vote +1 if a vote was needed. However, since it sounds like the MyFaces PMC has already voted to accept the project; so I would suggest that you treat this project like any new incubator project and get accounts set up for each new committer (after CLAs are received). As far as whether just the code goes through incubation or whether the whole community goes through incubation, I think that's a call made by the MyFaces PMC. If the PMC believes that most of the key committers are new to Apache, then they should have the entire project incubated (still not requiring a vote of the Incubator PMC until graduation, under the current rules). If the MyFaces PMC believes that their own community (current set of committers and contributors) can already support the code, then they should just incubate the code and add any outside committers through their normal meritocratic process. Cliff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Ok, I think we can close this vote out - what do you say? Next step is then to request accounts, right? regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since a software grant is involved, we do need to incubate the code. So, we are at the step where The Incubator PMC MAY immediately accept the Candidate, or may (at the discretion of the Incubator PMC) require a successful VOTE by the Incubator PMC. If no one responds negatively to the VOTE thread, I expect we can take that as lazy consensus and proceed. Cliff's new rules about the ACK would explain how the PMC MAY immediately accept the Candidate, so for now, consider the +1 my ACK as a member of the Incubator PMC. -Ted. -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
On 8/31/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, as the rules stand right now, if you have a PMC that has voted to accept the project then you don't even need a vote here; you're simply good to go. Yeah, I was surprised too but that's the rules as they are now. Sanjiva. If that's the case, then let's wait 72 hours from my +1, and, if there are no comments, then proceed with sandbox incubation of the Tobago code. Once the software grant is on file, for simplicity, we can post the code to the sandbox area of the MyFaces repository, but mark it as being under incubation. For simplicity, we could use the MyFaces mailing lists for now, and just ask people posting about Tobago to put a [Tobago] label in the subject line. In this way, we can get a better gauge of how the existing MyFaces users and developers will react to Tobago. We' can do the usual page on the incubator site, tracking our progress with integrating Tobago with the MyFaces community, and when we are done, we can let the Incubator PMC know we are ready to exit. -Ted.
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Well, I didn't argument against using the incubator infrastructure. Nobody seemed too interested here, though (in contradiction to the MyFaces community, who was very interested), that's why Ted probably thought about going through the MyFaces sandbox directly as a code grant is already in place and the licensing issue is very clear. No problem at all for going through a separate incubator SVN - Ted ? and thanks for at least some feedback to this proposal ;) regards, Martin On 9/6/05, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 01 September 2005 03:51, Ted Husted wrote: Once the software grant is on file, for simplicity, we can post the code to the sandbox area of the MyFaces repository, but mark it as being under incubation. When MerlinStudio was brought into Avalon, the codebase went via the Incubator SVN, and we had no choice about that. Moving things around in SVN is easy, so there is no real argument against it. We' can do the usual page on the incubator site, tracking our progress This part is not optional. s/can/will/ The above mentioned MerlinStudio had a very similar situation to Tobago, and travelled thru the incubator in something like 2 weeks, including the removal of a Hibernate dependency, so play the Incubator cards nicely and you are out of here faster than this thread of discussion :o) Cheers Niclas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Well, as Cliff has just pointed out, that should not be enough, at least in the future. regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
doh! I really have to read all emails first, before writing back... Sorry for bothering, and thanks Martin for pointing this out to me ... :-) -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 21:16 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote: Well, as Cliff has just pointed out, that should not be enough, at least in the future. regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
However, as the rules stand right now, if you have a PMC that has voted to accept the project then you don't even need a vote here; you're simply good to go. Yeah, I was surprised too but that's the rules as they are now. Sanjiva. On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 21:16 +0200, Martin Marinschek wrote: Well, as Cliff has just pointed out, that should not be enough, at least in the future. regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Yes, but don't take my personal thoughts/proposals to be policy. Matthias is right that the current policy does not require an Incubator PMC vote. Cliff On 8/31/05, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as Cliff has just pointed out, that should not be enough, at least in the future. regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Ok... so Ted, are we still voting for informative reasons only? regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but don't take my personal thoughts/proposals to be policy. Matthias is right that the current policy does not require an Incubator PMC vote. Cliff On 8/31/05, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as Cliff has just pointed out, that should not be enough, at least in the future. regards, Martin On 8/31/05, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted, well just a note, the MyFaces PMC has already voted for Tobago. -Matthias On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:51 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: I would like to call for a vote of the Incubator PMC on the MyFaces proposal to incubate the Tobago codebase, and if successful, to create a Tobago subproject within the MyFaces project. The proposal was first circulated to general@ in message #5937, and is currently represented on the Incubator wiki * http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TobagoProposal as last edited 2005-08-31 13:04:20 by ArvidHuelsebus. Here's my +1. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Trainings in English and German - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Proposal for Tobago, an Apache MyFaces subproject
Since a software grant is involved, we do need to incubate the code. So, we are at the step where The Incubator PMC MAY immediately accept the Candidate, or may (at the discretion of the Incubator PMC) require a successful VOTE by the Incubator PMC. If no one responds negatively to the VOTE thread, I expect we can take that as lazy consensus and proceed. Cliff's new rules about the ACK would explain how the PMC MAY immediately accept the Candidate, so for now, consider the +1 my ACK as a member of the Incubator PMC. -Ted.
