Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
Hello PMC, As a committer on the XAP Project, I would also vote +1 (non binding of course) for moving the project from incubation to the attic. We have seen little community develop around the project and have been making little/no progress on the code lately. Thanks for everyones help throughout the process, Bob (Buffone) On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin < robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: > >> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at > least > > 4 > >> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > >> > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing > with > > XAP, > >> > I am raising this as a vote. > > > >> -1 > >> > >> Suspension implies wrongdoing and fault, and that this disciplinary > >> process is temporary > >> > >> IMO XAP should be archived into an Attic > > > > Huh? So when I suspend my laptop, it did something wrong and needs to be > > disciplined? That hasn't been true since I stopped running MS-Windows > > Vista! > > > > The project is dormant, sleeping, idle, hibernating, and can be > mothballed, > > put away in the attic, put on ice. If and when there is further > community > > interest, it can be woken, thawed, taken out of the attic, > recommissioned, > > reactivated, unboxed. > > > > Is your -1 really solely on the word? > > the word is a just a symptom > > if you had asked for a vote on the measures themselves, i would have > been +1 but i don't believe that creating policy on the fly is a good > idea. there is no reason to rush so IMO it should have been used as a > use case for developing and documenting policy. > > disciplinary process is important. something as simple as a choice of > phrase can change the way a particular set of actions is perceived by > the outside world. if writing policy, a reasonable description of the > proposed act would have been 'Suspending Operations' as part of - if > we had some documentation describing and policy controlling - a move > to archive status. > > - robert > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least > 4 >> > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed >> > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with > XAP, >> > I am raising this as a vote. > >> -1 >> >> Suspension implies wrongdoing and fault, and that this disciplinary >> process is temporary >> >> IMO XAP should be archived into an Attic > > Huh? So when I suspend my laptop, it did something wrong and needs to be > disciplined? That hasn't been true since I stopped running MS-Windows > Vista! > > The project is dormant, sleeping, idle, hibernating, and can be mothballed, > put away in the attic, put on ice. If and when there is further community > interest, it can be woken, thawed, taken out of the attic, recommissioned, > reactivated, unboxed. > > Is your -1 really solely on the word? the word is a just a symptom if you had asked for a vote on the measures themselves, i would have been +1 but i don't believe that creating policy on the fly is a good idea. there is no reason to rush so IMO it should have been used as a use case for developing and documenting policy. disciplinary process is important. something as simple as a choice of phrase can change the way a particular set of actions is perceived by the outside world. if writing policy, a reasonable description of the proposed act would have been 'Suspending Operations' as part of - if we had some documentation describing and policy controlling - a move to archive status. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin < robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least > 4 > > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with > XAP, > > I am raising this as a vote. > > -1 > > Suspension implies wrongdoing and fault, and that this disciplinary > process is temporary > > IMO XAP should be archived into an Attic > > Oversight on inactive projects does not worry me. The lack of activity > makes this a very easy task. An issue related to XAP was raised last September and the PPMC was asked to address it. AFAIK, the PPMC has done nothing at all since then to address that particular issue. -- Martin Cooper > Oversight problems in the incubator are more likely to occur when a > project is too active for energy available from the mentors. > > Robert > > > > > --- Noel > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
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RE: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > > I am raising this as a vote. > -1 > > Suspension implies wrongdoing and fault, and that this disciplinary > process is temporary > > IMO XAP should be archived into an Attic Huh? So when I suspend my laptop, it did something wrong and needs to be disciplined? That hasn't been true since I stopped running MS-Windows Vista! The project is dormant, sleeping, idle, hibernating, and can be mothballed, put away in the attic, put on ice. If and when there is further community interest, it can be woken, thawed, taken out of the attic, recommissioned, reactivated, unboxed. Is your -1 really solely on the word? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
On 2/16/09, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. -1 Suspension implies wrongdoing and fault, and that this disciplinary process is temporary IMO XAP should be archived into an Attic Oversight on inactive projects does not worry me. The lack of activity makes this a very easy task. Oversight problems in the incubator are more likely to occur when a project is too active for energy available from the mentors. Robert > > --- Noel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel +1 -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1. Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1 --kevan On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1. Eddie On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Noel J. Bergman schrieb: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
Noel J. Bergman schrieb: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. > > --- Noel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1 On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 >> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed >> suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, >> I am raising this as a vote. > > +1 > > Yoav > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Luciano Resende Apache Tuscany, Apache PhotArk http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. +1 Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1 On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. > >--- Noel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with > XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. > >--- Noel > +1 ...ant
Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1 Craig On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with XAP, I am raising this as a vote. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
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Re: [VOTE] Suspending Projects -- XAP
+1. I see little chance of XAP being resurrected at this point. -- Martin Cooper On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4 > months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and discussed > suspension. Having reached, now, February 2009, and still nothing with > XAP, > I am raising this as a vote. > >--- Noel > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
