Re: Droids status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-18 Thread Richard Frovarp

On 01/12/2012 11:49 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Richard Frovarprfrov...@apache.org  wrote:

On 01/08/2012 06:46 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

2008-10-09 Droids

S: Somewhat active, still not enough for a TLP. Last report mentions
IP clearance issues?
R: Ask for a graduation plan in next report.

I'm a mentor this project and will get things moving.

Great!


You say it isn't active enough for a TLP. My question is what constitutes
active enough?

Basically one that meets the criteria described in [1]. My subjective
interpretation is that Droids isn't quite there yet. I explain:

I see 186 Droids commits in 2011, 178 of which were committed by you
and Bertil Chapuis. And it looks like Bertil's last commit was in
April. As a result 95% of the commits in the last 6 months were by a
single committer. (Please don't interpret any of these numbers as
indicating some unwritten limits, I'm merely using these statistics to
highlight the issue.)

So it looks to me like the project still needs to work on growing the
community before gaining the critical mass needed to survive the loss
of any single contributor. Once that's done, I think Droids will be
ready to graduate.

The ManifoldCF podling so facing a similar problem, so my related post
[2] to connectors-dev@ might also have some useful ideas for Droids.


The IP clearance issue has been cleared up. That shouldn't have been in the
report.

OK, good.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
[2] http://s.apache.org/community-lessons-from-tika

BR,

Jukka Zitting



Thank you Jukka.

A lot of those commits from me were release preparation. Adding headers, 
moving files around, and several release attempts and rollbacks. 
However, many of them were code, and your point is valid.


I have read your email to ManifoldCF, and Droids is in a very similar 
position.


We certainly need better documentation. That should help get more people 
involved. We'll see what we can do about getting more people actively 
involved over the next few months.


Thanks again for taking the time.

Richard


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Re: Droids status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote:

snip

 You say it isn't active enough for a TLP. My question is what constitutes
 active enough?

 Basically one that meets the criteria described in [1]. My subjective
 interpretation is that Droids isn't quite there yet. I explain:

 I see 186 Droids commits in 2011, 178 of which were committed by you
 and Bertil Chapuis. And it looks like Bertil's last commit was in
 April. As a result 95% of the commits in the last 6 months were by a
 single committer. (Please don't interpret any of these numbers as
 indicating some unwritten limits, I'm merely using these statistics to
 highlight the issue.)

 So it looks to me like the project still needs to work on growing the
 community before gaining the critical mass needed to survive the loss
 of any single contributor. Once that's done, I think Droids will be
 ready to graduate.

 The ManifoldCF podling so facing a similar problem, so my related post
 [2] to connectors-dev@ might also have some useful ideas for Droids.

Droids and ManifoldCF are both examplars of non-main sequence podlings
which are small-but-healthy. Leaving the main sequence in this
direction happens frequently enough that it'd be great if someone
could step up to write up something for the website.

Robert

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