Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
I've decided that I must have been doing *something* wrong as I was just able to commit to this file. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:46 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: Well, must be missing something. I'm 'johndament' yet I don't have write access to the trunk. I used to understand svn auth, but not so sure now. Following this: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#who-auth-karma It seems to me that all in committers as well as all in the incubator group have rw access to incubator/public/trunk/ Do your fellow project committers also have this trouble? If so, i wonder if this identifies a problem which indicates why few people have edited podlings.xml or fix the website docs. If so, then i would be horrifed that they have not told us. -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: Well, I can appreciate the frustration. I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff. Any special rights required to edit podlings.xml? IIUC then everyone who comes through the Incubator is able: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
Jake Farrell wrote: I've started to clean up the voter status page and have been finishing the incubator closing steps for projects that have already graduated. Updates for the projects listed below should start appearing shortly as the nightly scripts run. Hopefully these steps will make it easier for the tools to function as intended Do the instructions need some tweaking to explain that the enddate needs to be added for each? -David Chukwa, DeltaSpike, jclouds, Tashi -Jake On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
David Crossley wrote: Jake Farrell wrote: I've started to clean up the voter status page ... Thanks. Let us hope that that enourages podlings to continue to follow through. ... and have been finishing the incubator closing steps for projects that have already graduated. However this finalisation stuff is difficult if one was not associated with the project. Tweaking the podlings.xml is just one very final step. I usually leave it there as a sign that there is stuff to be done. Updates for the projects listed below should start appearing shortly as the nightly scripts run. Hopefully these steps will make it easier for the tools to function as intended For the Vote Monitor yes, as it is completely overloaded. For Clutch (not automated) it is doing is intended job. The History chart is automated, but i wonder if it skipped two becuase of the problem below. Do the instructions need some tweaking to explain that the enddate needs to be added for each? The tools are crude and do not expect partial information. Please do follow the instructions, and if they are not clear then help to refine. -David Chukwa, DeltaSpike, jclouds, Tashi -Jake - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
I've started to clean up the voter status page and have been finishing the incubator closing steps for projects that have already graduated. Updates for the projects listed below should start appearing shortly as the nightly scripts run. Hopefully these steps will make it easier for the tools to function as intended Chukwa, DeltaSpike, jclouds, Tashi -Jake On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
Well, I can appreciate the frustration. I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff. Any special rights required to edit podlings.xml? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
John D. Ament wrote: Well, I can appreciate the frustration. I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff. Any special rights required to edit podlings.xml? IIUC then everyone who comes through the Incubator is able: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
Well, must be missing something. I'm 'johndament' yet I don't have write access to the trunk. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: Well, I can appreciate the frustration. I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff. Any special rights required to edit podlings.xml? IIUC then everyone who comes through the Incubator is able: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: projects graduated need to tidy up
John D. Ament wrote: Well, must be missing something. I'm 'johndament' yet I don't have write access to the trunk. I used to understand svn auth, but not so sure now. Following this: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#who-auth-karma It seems to me that all in committers as well as all in the incubator group have rw access to incubator/public/trunk/ Do your fellow project committers also have this trouble? If so, i wonder if this identifies a problem which indicates why few people have edited podlings.xml or fix the website docs. If so, then i would be horrifed that they have not told us. -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: Well, I can appreciate the frustration. I'm willing to help clean up some of this stuff. Any special rights required to edit podlings.xml? IIUC then everyone who comes through the Incubator is able: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: John D. Ament wrote: David, On that note, how come DeltaSpike is still listed as incubating at [1] Note the table on the 3rd bullet. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/ Because these graduated projects do not tidy up after themselves. They seem to leave everything for other Incubator volunteers to clean up in their wake. Such a mess causes the Incubator tools, that try so hard to help us all, to become overloaded and then not as useful because there is too much fluff. DeltaSpike is not the only one. See the list that poor Clutch tries so desperately to highlight: http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#other which also attempts to directly link them to the relevant docs. The projects listing http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ also tries to encourage projects to maintain their own records. I presume that these projects will continue such behaviour as TLPs. (Sorry if i come across as frustrated in these threads. I certainly am, but trying to curb it.) -David On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: David Crossley wrote: Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi David not sure what you mean but list are working AFAIK. We got batchee mail this morning again and I got some sirona mails yesterday The archives. Clutch gathers the mail list addresses by ensuring that the archives are available [1]. See the URL provided below in my initial email. e.g. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator There is only the commits archives. Someone from these two projects needs to follow up with Infra until your resources are properly established. And this is why you are not receiving the report reminders. [1] We should enhance this page to explain more detail about how the set of reporting mailing list addresses are handled. I have explained it many times in email, so we should find that and add it to this doc. http://incubator.apache.org/facilities.html#reminders The Voting Status monitor (the poor neglected thing!) has also been trying to warn about this issue. See the top-left of http://incubator.apache.org/ and then the bottom table. -David Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau 2013/11/7 David Crossley cross...@apache.org: Those two reminders are intended for BatchEE and Sirona. Their email dev list archive is not yet available, so this goes to general@ list. Clutch does detect their commits lists, but not their dev lists. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#batchee.incubator http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/#sirona.incubator Does anyone know why? Are they missing moderators or something? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
