Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > +1 to the JIRA project and the notifications coming here. Thanks for > driving this one! I've done some customisation on PODLINGNAMESEARCH[1] (Hopefully Noel will forgive me for assigning him as project lead without asking first; just seemed appropriate.) Please jump with comments, observations or improvements - or those with karma should feel free to dive in and make changes. I plan to use Rat to pilot the PODLINGNAMESEARCH set up sometime soon Robert [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
+1 to the JIRA project and the notifications coming here. Thanks for driving this one! - Shane On 2011-11-17 6:55 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a "Suitable Names Search" JIRA project https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH Please jump in to fill out details and permissions. Improvements, suggestions, objections, welcomed. Should we send notifications to this list? Unless someone jumps in with objections soon, I'll set up notifications to this list. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a "Suitable Names Search" >>> JIRA project >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH >> >> Please jump in to fill out details and permissions. Improvements, >> suggestions, objections, welcomed. > > Should we send notifications to this list? Unless someone jumps in with objections soon, I'll set up notifications to this list. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: > > > >> Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a "Suitable Names Search" >> JIRA project > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH > > Please jump in to fill out details and permissions. Improvements, > suggestions, objections, welcomed. Should we send notifications to this list? Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a "Suitable Names Search" > JIRA project https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH Please jump in to fill out details and permissions. Improvements, suggestions, objections, welcomed. > and break out some documentation into a new guide... I hope to start working on something to fill http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html soon unless someone jumps in with a better suggestion... Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:55 AM, David Crossley wrote: >> Kalle Korhonen wrote: >>> Robert Burrell Donkin >>> > wrote: >>> >> I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. >> "Suitable Names Search" > > Works for me (if anyone has anything better, please jump in) Lazy consensus for "Suitable Names Search" >> In the last few days i have also been investigating >> our Guidelines documentation. There does not seem to >> be much assistance for this task. I have commenced >> some additions. > > Great :-) > > IMHO the task documentation needs relocating from the status template. > I've been wondering about the best approach for a while... > > The legal side makes writing assistance tricky. (Publishing anything > which a court might later take to be advice would not be wise.) One > motivation in moving this task to JIRA is that then podlings could > learn inductively without the need for high quality general > documentation on trademark searches. (IMHO if the Incubator needs this > then we should approach the board to engage legal resources to produce > it for us.) Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a "Suitable Names Search" JIRA project and break out some documentation into a new guide... Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:55 AM, David Crossley wrote: > Kalle Korhonen wrote: >> Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >> > wrote: >> >> But yes, I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. >> Not sure this action item needs to have a single, well-defined name, >> but I think you are approaching it from the wrong angle. Instead of >> eliminating, the projects need to do something like "name availability >> search", or even "confirming availability of a trademark", although >> it's difficult to get a 100% confirmation. It should be enough just to >> verify the availability "to the best of your ability" using common, >> best-practice guidance. +1 > I was wondering along these lines too. > Make up our own term from a positive angle. > > "Suitable Names Search" Works for me (if anyone has anything better, please jump in) > In the last few days i have also been investigating > our Guidelines documentation. There does not seem to > be much assistance for this task. I have commenced > some additions. Great :-) IMHO the task documentation needs relocating from the status template. I've been wondering about the best approach for a while... The legal side makes writing assistance tricky. (Publishing anything which a court might later take to be advice would not be wise.) One motivation in moving this task to JIRA is that then podlings could learn inductively without the need for high quality general documentation on trademark searches. (IMHO if the Incubator needs this then we should approach the board to engage legal resources to produce it for us.) But I'd be very happy to hear alternative ideas :-) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
Kalle Korhonen wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: > > wrote: > >> But yes, I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. > >> What podlings needs to do is essentially "fact finding" (not > >> interpretation). Perhaps someone could come up with something along > >> this line of thinking... > > "Podling Name Filter"...? > > "Podling Name Hunt"...? > > "Podling Name Elimination"...? > > "That Trademark Stuff Podlings Need To Do"...? > >> (Or someone could just suggest a cool name) > > Ideas? > > Not sure this action item needs to have a single, well-defined name, > but I think you are approaching it from the wrong angle. Instead of > eliminating, the projects need to do something like "name availability > search", or even "confirming availability of a trademark", although > it's difficult to get a 100% confirmation. It should be enough just to > verify the availability "to the best of your ability" using common, > best-practice guidance. I was wondering along these lines too. Make up our own term from a positive angle. "Suitable Names Search" In the last few days i have also been investigating our Guidelines documentation. There does not seem to be much assistance for this task. I have commenced some additions. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > wrote: >> But yes, I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. >> What podlings needs to do is essentially "fact finding" (not >> interpretation). Perhaps someone could come up with something along >> this line of thinking... > "Podling Name Filter"...? > "Podling Name Hunt"...? > "Podling Name Elimination"...? > "That Trademark Stuff Podlings Need To Do"...? >> (Or someone could just suggest a cool name) > Ideas? Not sure this action item needs to have a single, well-defined name, but I think you are approaching it from the wrong angle. Instead of eliminating, the projects need to do something like "name availability search", or even "confirming availability of a trademark", although it's difficult to get a 100% confirmation. It should be enough just to verify the availability "to the best of your ability" using common, best-practice guidance. Kalle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >>> wrote: Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Comments? >>> >>> >> >> Just one comment: the "kill search" term sounds odd to me. Where did >> it come from? To me it suggests something a crazy hunter would do when >> looking for prey to kill. > > (I suspect this might be an example of lawyer humour) > > The idea is to kill bad names early (fail fast) before expensive legal > advice is sort > >> Wouldn't something like "trademark search" be more to the point? > > AIUI "trademark search" is an overloaded technical legal term. In some > cases, the board may need to actually pay for an actual "trademark > search". This would get confusing for everyone. > > But yes, I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. > What podlings needs to do is essentially "fact finding" (not > interpretation). Perhaps someone could come up with something along > this line of thinking... "Podling Name Filter"...? "Podling Name Hunt"...? "Podling Name Elimination"...? "That Trademark Stuff Podlings Need To Do"...? > (Or someone could just suggest a cool name) Ideas? Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >>> Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Comments? >> >> > > Just one comment: the "kill search" term sounds odd to me. Where did > it come from? To me it suggests something a crazy hunter would do when > looking for prey to kill. (I suspect this might be an example of lawyer humour) The idea is to kill bad names early (fail fast) before expensive legal advice is sort > Wouldn't something like "trademark search" be more to the point? AIUI "trademark search" is an overloaded technical legal term. In some cases, the board may need to actually pay for an actual "trademark search". This would get confusing for everyone. But yes, I agree that using "kill search" is probably a bad idea. What podlings needs to do is essentially "fact finding" (not interpretation). Perhaps someone could come up with something along this line of thinking... (Or someone could just suggest a cool name) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Comments? > > Just one comment: the "kill search" term sounds odd to me. Where did it come from? To me it suggests something a crazy hunter would do when looking for prey to kill. Wouldn't something like "trademark search" be more to the point? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Trademark Kill Searches...
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > The trademark task[1] seemed a little dated to me - especially since > the brand team started focusing on trademarks[2] - and poorly > documented. So, I started looking into improvements... > > (Apologies in advance for presenting my views here on some initial > discussions on the private trademark lists. Members are encouraged to > subscribe.) > > Just passing everything onto the brand team is likely to stretch the > resources they have available. So, I think the Incubator needs to > remain involved in the process. Reporting facts in public is fine but > interpretation is tricky and best discussed in private[3] with experts > available. So, the brand team also needs to be involved. My proposed > starting point is that an improved process should separate the public > (Incubator community) from the private (Brand community). > > Rat needs to perform it's kill search[4]. So I thought we might be > able to use that as a worked example to grow an improved process. > > Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Comments? (sounds like lazy consensus so I'll push on) More eyes make all bugs shallow :-) ATM each podling conducts a kill search guided by just [1]. I know of no public record of what was done (if anyone knows where fact finding is recorded, please jump in :-) Incubator-wide public records would improve oversight[5] and reduce the bar to learning by example. Using a JIRA project[6] (unless anyone jumps in with a good candidate, a new one) to record and coordinate fact finding seems like an easy way to do this. Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Alternatives? Robert > [1] "Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist > and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not already > trademarked for an existing software product." > [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ > [3] Public speculation may be relevant in court > [4] AIUI this is the usual name for our task [5] by Incubator, brand and legal communities [6] Within the Incubator https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProjects.jspa#10024 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Trademark Kill Searches...
The trademark task[1] seemed a little dated to me - especially since the brand team started focusing on trademarks[2] - and poorly documented. So, I started looking into improvements... (Apologies in advance for presenting my views here on some initial discussions on the private trademark lists. Members are encouraged to subscribe.) Just passing everything onto the brand team is likely to stretch the resources they have available. So, I think the Incubator needs to remain involved in the process. Reporting facts in public is fine but interpretation is tricky and best discussed in private[3] with experts available. So, the brand team also needs to be involved. My proposed starting point is that an improved process should separate the public (Incubator community) from the private (Brand community). Rat needs to perform it's kill search[4]. So I thought we might be able to use that as a worked example to grow an improved process. Opinions? Objections? Improvements? Comments? Robert [1] "Make sure that the requested project name does not already exist and check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name is not already trademarked for an existing software product." [2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ [3] Public speculation may be relevant in court [4] AIUI this is the usual name for our task - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
