Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

[Jon Stevens]

on 2/18/01 12:27 AM, "Federico Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's fine with me.
> 
> so let's ge for 
> 
> jakarta-avalon
> jakarta-avalon-phoenix
> jakarta-avalon-cornerstone
> 
> Is it ok with everybody?
> 
> Fede

+1

(going round and round and round...)

-jon


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RE: Is open source "unamerican"...

[Nael Mohammad]

How Ironic, the very thing that Microsoft conveyed during anti trust trials,
which is "innovation" and government intervention would only stifle it,
apparently does not apply to us I guessed?

-Original Message-
From: Pier P. Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 6:19 PM
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Subject: Is open source "unamerican"...


I found this on another mailing list completely unrelated to Open Source,
and I believe it makes more sense around here :)

Microsoft has completely lost its mind...



Pier

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RE: Is open source "unamerican"...

[David Duddleston]

The American way should be about having equality and the reasonable freedom
to do what you want. Just because many people have used this freedom to
obtain massive amounts of money and power, does not mean it is the American
way. In fact it is almost anti American in a way because these people
usually interfere with the freedom of others by becoming very dominate and
controlling (can anyone say dictatorship). Now I'm not against making money,
in fact I love making money, but I also value freedom and equality for
myself and others. What ever a person/company does with their code, sell it,
give it away, throw it away or what ever, the bottom line is that it is
their choice to do as they please with it and that is the American way. I
respects Microsofts owners decision to sell it's products and make money,
but I don't respect many of its dictatorship like actions.

-david

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:51 AM
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> "They were pursuing their own happiness without regard to revenue
> generation or
>  market share.
>
> What could be more American than that?"
>
> hmm, doesn't sound American to me - sounds more like socialism.
> Not that I agree or disagree with MS - but those lines are just wrong.
> American == Capitalism == Market share == 
> IMHO anyway.
> -Dug
>
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> "Pier P. Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 02/17/2001 09:19:21 PM
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> I found this on another mailing list completely unrelated to Open Source,
> and I believe it makes more sense around here :)
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> Microsoft has completely lost its mind...
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> 
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> Pier
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Re: Is open source "unamerican"...

[Doug Davis]

"They were pursuing their own happiness without regard to revenue
generation or
 market share.

What could be more American than that?"

hmm, doesn't sound American to me - sounds more like socialism.
Not that I agree or disagree with MS - but those lines are just wrong.
American == Capitalism == Market share == 
IMHO anyway.
-Dug


"Pier P. Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 02/17/2001 09:19:21 PM
To:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:  Is open source "unamerican"...



I found this on another mailing list completely unrelated to Open Source,
and I believe it makes more sense around here :)

Microsoft has completely lost its mind...



Pier

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Re: [GUMP] Any James developers here?

[Federico Barbieri]

Jon Stevens wrote:
> 
> on 2/14/01 2:38 PM, "Federico Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Ok, so can we agree on this:
> >>
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-foo
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-bar
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-whatever
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-peter
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-federico
> >> /home/cvs/jakarta-avalon-yourmother
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >
> > You're missing my point...
> > org.apache.avalon and the kernel and blocks implementation are two
> > different project. Very different. The avalon package's goal is to
> > create a set of design patterns, contracts and interfaces to enforce
> > good software design, runtime code reusing, IOC, SOC, etc. Phoenix is an
> > intergation framework. Cornerstone is a set of default services for
> > Phoenix.
> >
> > avalon is way much closer in the way it should be developed, goals and
> > needs to the jakarta-util project rather than Phoenix. I whould strongly
> > agree to have that code into the util project.
> > Many avalon patterns are used by Phoenix, James, Cocoon and similar
> > concepts are in Turbine too. So it should be in a common
> > project/repository, not duplicated in each project.
> >
> > So what about merging avalon into the jakarta util and let Phoenix and
> > Cornerstone live together in a separate CVS?
> >
> > Fede
> 
> And you are missing my point.
> 
> I don't care how many different CVS trees there are. Just prefix them with
> "jakarta-avalon" if it is at all Avalon related. If it is related to another
> project that you would like to create, then you need to propose that as
> another project, not just another CVS tree.
> 
> -jon
> 

That's fine with me.

so let's ge for 

jakarta-avalon
jakarta-avalon-phoenix
jakarta-avalon-cornerstone

Is it ok with everybody?

Fede

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