Another Critique of Logging JSR

[Peter Donald]

Hi,

I thought this may be interesting to some.

http://www.swzoo.org/documents/miscellaneous/jsr047/
 
Cheers,

Pete

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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

[Pier P. Fumagalli]

burtonator at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Just an FYI.
> 
> I have spent a lot of time recently working with the Hypersonic people.
> 
> There are a number of issues here.  It seems they talked to Apache in the past
> about moving Hypersonic under Jakarta but were turned down.  Since then a lot
> has happened.
> 
> [...]
> 
> That said I hope other ASF developers are able to convince them to change
> their ways where I have failed.  I am sure more voices will help make these
> issues more relevant.

IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.

If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...




  Apache != Borg :)



Pier


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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

[burtonator]

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"Michael McCallum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> try this one with a BSD licence...
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb


Just an FYI.

I have spent a lot of time recently working with the Hypersonic people.

There are a number of issues here.  It seems they talked to Apache in the past
about moving Hypersonic under Jakarta but were turned down.  Since then a lot
has happened.

It would be a huge changed in direction for them to move to Jakarta.  They are
creating a non-profit organization to push Hypersonic.  It seems that they have
put a lot of effort into this and I assume they would be hesitant to waste this
when moving over to Apache.

The other aspect, and one that *really* bothers me is that they don't seem to
want to work under the Apache Open Source Development Model.

There CVS modules are all over the place, redundant modules, unnecessary
modules, modules which haven't had commits in months, etc.  They also do not use
mailing lists, the use the SourceForge web forums.  Anyone who is a fan of
mailing lists will really hate their use of webforums.

The other issue is that they have a company founded around Hypersonic and are
making all important decisions behind closed doors.  This does not bode well for
the success of an Open Source project.

I have raised all these issues (and more) to them in an constructive manner but
they do not seem to want outside help.  I really like Hypersonic but am very
doubtful about its future considering these facts.

That said I hope other ASF developers are able to convince them to change their
ways where I have failed.  I am sure more voices will help make these issues
more relevant.

Kevin

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Re: New CVS Host fingerprint?

[robert burrell donkin]

On Monday, July 16, 2001, at 05:26 AM, Peter Donald wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can someone confirm that our new CVS host (yay!) has the following
> characteristerics ;)
>
> DSA key fingerprint is 79:7c:cb:6a:44:47:b2:ef:5c:66:28:d7:40:0d:b1:f9.
> cvs.apache.org,64.208.42.42
>

can somebody confirm that the RSA1 fingerprint is
31:ea:4d:c6:0e:c7:c1:c0:1c:f1:6e:58:c3:b1:cd:4a

- robert

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