[OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. -jon -- Forwarded Message Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249 Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44 Topic: ms, 153 comments from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept. matsh writes: Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000. Custom support will cost even more. References 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distributing the JSSE
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:45, Jon Stevens wrote:
Catalina does not distribute the JSSE (from the catalina/build.xml):
target name=copy-jsse.jar if=copy.jsse.jar
!-- Cannot redistribute JSSE
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jcert.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jnet.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jsse.jar}/
--
/target
I would like to know why they don't redistribute it.
Because the amount of paperwork needed to legally distribute it is
hge. The US export laws do allow non-profits and indviduals to
distribute crypto things but they have to jump through a few hoops and make
sure they fill out oodles of stuff.
Avalon was going to distribute it until Craig dropped a note on commons or
ant list regarding this and gave a link. I followed it and it was much too
much work to get it done legally so we dropped it. Craig do you still have
that link ?
I think (ii) is funny because from what I'm hearing is that Jboss has
modified it and is distributing it because there is a serious classloader
problem in it.
And we all know how JBoss only does things that are legal right ?
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Re: [Vote] BCEL @ Jakarta
+1 Please note: people from other projects are giving their vote...while the voice is appreciated, that vote doesn't really count since it is only the PMC's decision to include new projects. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distributing the JSSE
Jon Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Catalina does not distribute the JSSE (from the catalina/build.xml):
target name=copy-jsse.jar if=copy.jsse.jar
!-- Cannot redistribute JSSE
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jcert.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jnet.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jsse.jar}/
--
/target
I would like to know why they don't redistribute it.
Export regulation, I believe... When you add that to (iv), we should
definitely check the originating IP address, and make sure we're not
exporting crypto stuff in places where we shouldn't... I believe that
regarding cryptographic software there are still a lot of hurdles to clear.
(I believe we don't even redistribute OpenSSL together with Apache 2.0, even
though it's required to build the SSL module in it).
Pier
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Re: BCEL @ Jakarta
+1 Craig On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Jason van Zyl wrote: Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 11:37:25 -0400 From: Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCEL @ Jakarta Hi, Markus has just informed me that he has removed the GNU regexp dependency from the BCEL and is using the Jakarta Regexp package. I think it was generally agreed that the package is complete, highly useful and many people expressed an interested in having it be a Jakarta project. Markus has already made a first pass at organizing the source in a Jakarta like format and I have offered to help with the rest of work if we agree to accept the package into Jakarta. So, for the movement of BCEL to apache I would like to vote +1 -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RMI Messaging
Hi all, I'm Intan, from Malaysia. Does anybody knows 'bout peer-to-peer system? I really need a help here. please give me your opinion on this coz i've been assign an application which is on messaging system between peers in a real time environment. I've decided to use RMI as the networking structure. So please give me yur opinion on this. Thanx. Regards, Intan -junior programmer
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Agreed. I've also been suprised by the recent rise in FUD thats coming our way... http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-10-2001/jw-1019-iw-netvsjava.html? A nice MS marketting strategy seems to be comparing .Net to EJBs rather than to Java (or Servlets or JAXM or whatnot). Hardly a fair or useful comparison. .Net still seems to use COM under the covers anyways so COM v EJB or .NET v. Java seems more sensible but then I suppose thats the point of FUD afterall. James - Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. -jon -- Forwarded Message Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249 Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44 Topic: ms, 153 comments from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept. matsh writes: Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000. Custom support will cost even more. References 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
unfortunately, there is an entire class of developer that can only build software using microsoft tools. microsoft has moved into .edu territory and is giving away their tools for free. the kids are becoming attached to them. matt - Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. -jon -- Forwarded Message Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249 Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44 Topic: ms, 153 comments from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept. matsh writes: Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000. Custom support will cost even more. References 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Title: RE: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers I don't understand the business model behind .NET. The article mentions developers paying to develop and deploy services, but also users paying to use them. Paying for an online agenda? document storage? e-wallet? This looks like the e-commerce flop on steroids. Un saludo, Alex. -Mensaje original- De: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: miércoles 24 de octubre de 2001 23:41 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. -jon -- Forwarded Message Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249 Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44 Topic: ms, 153 comments from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept. matsh writes: Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000. Custom support will cost even more. References 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distributing the JSSE
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From: Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: Distributing the JSSE
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:45, Jon Stevens wrote:
Catalina does not distribute the JSSE (from the catalina/build.xml):
target name=copy-jsse.jar if=copy.jsse.jar
!-- Cannot redistribute JSSE
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jcert.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jnet.jar}/
copy todir=${catalina.build}/common/lib file=${jsse.jar}/
--
/target
I would like to know why they don't redistribute it.
Because the amount of paperwork needed to legally distribute it is
hge. The US export laws do allow non-profits and indviduals to
distribute crypto things but they have to jump through a few hoops and
make
sure they fill out oodles of stuff.
Avalon was going to distribute it until Craig dropped a note on commons or
ant list regarding this and gave a link. I followed it and it was much too
much work to get it done legally so we dropped it. Craig do you still have
that link ?
so this is an US export law issue and not a Sun License issue?
-.Kasper
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BCEL @ Jakarta
Hi, Here's a summary of the PMC voting with respect to moving BCEL to Jakarta: [+1] Peter Donald [+1] Pierpaolo Fumagalli [+1]Ted Husted [ ] Ceki Gülcü [+1] Geir Magnusson Jr. [ ] Vincent Massol [+1] Craig McClanahan [+1] Sam Ruby [+1] Daniel Savarese [+1] Jon Stevens [+1] Jason van Zyl This gives us the 3/4 PMC approval rating so I believe BCEL will be moving to Jakarta unless Ceki and/or Vincent express disapproval. We'll let this float for another day or two to let anyone get their votes/concerns registered. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl http://tambora.zenplex.org http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria http://jakarta.apache.org/commons - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMI Messaging
JXTA is an attempt to define peer-peer based protocols. (http://jxta.org) RMI is client-server and so not the best way of doing peer based messaging. You might find JMS useful instead for publish / subscribe or queue based communication. Publish / subscribe is very peer based. James - Original Message - From: intan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:27 AM Subject: RMI Messaging Hi all, I'm Intan, from Malaysia. Does anybody knows 'bout peer-to-peer system? I really need a help here. please give me your opinion on this coz i've been assign an application which is on messaging system between peers in a real time environment. I've decided to use RMI as the networking structure. So please give me yur opinion on this. Thanx. Regards, Intan -junior programmer
RE: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
While MS does a lot of things wrong, this isn't one of them. The $1000 fee is for a business to use Microsoft's .Net My Services, their web services, not for doing .NET development. -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. -jon -- Forwarded Message Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/24/010249 Posted by: michael, on 2001-10-24 11:40:44 Topic: ms, 153 comments from the firstborn-son-comes-later dept. matsh writes: Today Microsoft [1]revealed the cost of signing up as a developer to .Net. Entry level is $1,000. Standard level $10,000. Custom support will cost even more. References 1. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-7629784.html -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential information and is intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender via e-mail. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why am I not surprised? The funny thing is that even in this down economy and with all the free (better?) alternatives that are out there, people will actually still pay for this stuff! We should put a paypal link on the Jakarta homepage and donate the money to AIDS research or some other worthy cause. snip How about the EFF?? I would think this is the best cause epecially for this community. The EFF has a paypal account setup and they have a CGI based API for doing this type of purchase. At the end it would redirect to the download page of your choice. Kevin - -- Need a good Engineer? Hire me! ( Java | P2P | XML | Linux | Open Source ) Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web - http://relativity.yi.org All your MP3 are belong to us! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE72IrzAwM6xb2dfE0RApFtAJ0TSMA7td0+LCdn0K+UMbRb8Ug1GACfSoka VtrYqbIwU+qoR8/VfFZkeBg= =f8Tc -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
