RE: [OT] Re: wow

[Marc Saegesser]

> (Where's Jon when you need him? :)

I can't believe I'm going to do this.


Stop complaining about it and just fix it!


Hmmm...  Looks better now. :-)


Marc Saegesser 

> -Original Message-
> From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:55 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: [OT] Re: wow
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> I don't want to be the on-topic police guy, but clearly this isn't an
> issue for jakarta-general.  It'd be better to send this to 
> watchdog-dev
> (only) IMO, and improve the signal to noise ratio around here.
> 
> (Where's Jon when you need him? :)
> 
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
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> > ;-)
> >
> > Henri Yandell wrote:
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> > >Looks terrible. The  size is wrong.
> > >
> > >Was this sarcasm? :) It's too early in the morning to notice.
> > >
> > >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
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Re: No reply from root

[Jeffrey Dever]

Understandable.  Thanks for the help and the impeteus.


Craig R. McClanahan wrote:


On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Jeffrey Dever wrote:

 

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:22:01 -0500
From: Jeffrey Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No reply from root

I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have
made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is
no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   


[EMAIL PROTECTED] is several people, all of whom are pretty busy, and
supporting the Apache infrastructure is done at the expense of their sleep
hours :-).  Sometimes it takes a couple of days.

I will forward the new account request again to make sure it doesn't fall
through the cracks, and then set up the CVS commit karma correctly when
the account is set up.

Craig

 

Can someone please:
1) determine if someone is actually reading the mail sent to root.
2) create a committer account for this very deserving contributor.

New committer: Oleg Kalnichevski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Project: Jakarta Commons HttpClient
Userid: oleg
Voting results:
+1 Jeff Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+1 Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+1 Ortwin Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks,
-jsd


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Processing of root and infrastructure requests

[hlship]

I'm surprised that this requests are handled via e-mail.  I would expect that 
these would be handled using BugZilla, which would centralize the handling, 
help ensure that nothing falls through the cracks, and provide better feedback 
on progress.

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http://jakata.apache.org/proposals
/tapestry
> 
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Jeffrey Dever wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:22:01 -0500
> > From: Jeffrey Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: No reply from root
> >
> > I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have
> > made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is
> > no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is several people, all of whom are pretty busy, and
> supporting the Apache infrastructure is done at the expense of their sleep
> hours :-).  Sometimes it takes a couple of days.
> 
> I will forward the new account request again to make sure it doesn't fall
> through the cracks, and then set up the CVS commit karma correctly when
> the account is set up.
> 
> Craig
> 
> >
> > Can someone please:
> > 1) determine if someone is actually reading the mail sent to root.
> > 2) create a committer account for this very deserving contributor.
> >
> > New committer: Oleg Kalnichevski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Project: Jakarta Commons HttpClient
> > Userid: oleg
> > Voting results:
> > +1 Jeff Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > +1 Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > +1 Ortwin Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -jsd
> >
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RE: Forum Software.

[Patrick Ferdig]

I have to disagree.

I'm a lurker on general@xml and general@jakarta, only to keep up on the
latest issues in the community.  the mailing lists are passive for me; I get
the data no matter what and can choose to read or ignore it.  if I had to
depend on active participation, I'd never get around to perusing the forums
just to see what's going on.

for specific module questions (generally tomcat or ant), I access the
archives, and then subscribe to the appropriate list until I'm satisfied, an
then unsubscribe. (gmane sounds like an even better alternative)

an appropriately setup email agent with filtering and threading is the key.
and if MS outlook can handle it, other agents should be able to keep up.

Pat

> -Original Message-
> From: Dominique Devienne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Subject: RE: Forum Software.
> 
> 
> Yes, what you're saying makes sense. From my perspective, 
> being quite active with ant-user (and ant-dev), but mostly 
> only lurking on apache-general, commons-users, turbine-maven 
> with occasional posts, I'd say that mailing lists are better 
> for active involvement, but news is better for lurking and 
> the occasional question to a list. This is why I thought 
> Gmane would be ideal for the latter; unfortunately it doesn't 
> allow posting on non-public lists, like Apache lists 
> requiring registration. Once Gmane implements this feature, 
> lurking with occasional post will be easy (as I find using 
> news and mail together inconvenient). My $.02, --DD
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kief Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:47 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Forum Software.
> 
> Robert Simmons typed the following on 03:20 24/01/2003 +0100
> >I say that forum software would be useful because I am in 
> three mailing
> >lists at apache that I use in order to ask questions.
> >Tomcat, Cocoon and this one. as a result i get an enormous 
> amount of mail. 
> >Aout 95% of it is irrelevant to me. Im having to filter
> >hundreds of messages per day and that is annyoing.
> 
> So, read the archive. The great thing about mailing lists is 
> ithey're open - anyone who wants to can put whatever 
> interface they like onto it - web, news, whatever. Don't like 
> the search engine? What search engine would you use if it was 
> a forum? Why not use that on an archive? Do you prefer the 
> threading in your favorite forum package to that in an 
> archive? Implement it.
> 
> A forum is a closed system, it limits access to a single 
> point, and eliminates choice. Rather than stripping 
> functionality away from people who use it just because you 
> don't like it, ignore those features and implement whatever 
> you do want.
> 
> Kief
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Re: No reply from root

[Martin van den Bemt]

Did a forward already to the infrasctructure, which triggered huge
response ;). Wasn't smart enough to cc general on this. (thought the
request was to commons-dev and couldn't find the mail anymore and
therefor didn't check if my mind was working ok)

Mvgr,
Martin

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 19:08, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Jeffrey Dever wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:22:01 -0500
> > From: Jeffrey Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: No reply from root
> >
> > I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have
> > made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is
> > no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is several people, all of whom are pretty busy, and
> supporting the Apache infrastructure is done at the expense of their sleep
> hours :-).  Sometimes it takes a couple of days.
> 
> I will forward the new account request again to make sure it doesn't fall
> through the cracks, and then set up the CVS commit karma correctly when
> the account is set up.
> 
> Craig
> 
> >
> > Can someone please:
> > 1) determine if someone is actually reading the mail sent to root.
> > 2) create a committer account for this very deserving contributor.
> >
> > New committer: Oleg Kalnichevski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Project: Jakarta Commons HttpClient
> > Userid: oleg
> > Voting results:
> > +1 Jeff Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > +1 Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > +1 Ortwin Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -jsd
> >
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Re: No reply from root

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Jeffrey Dever wrote:

> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:22:01 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: No reply from root
>
> I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have
> made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is
> no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is several people, all of whom are pretty busy, and
supporting the Apache infrastructure is done at the expense of their sleep
hours :-).  Sometimes it takes a couple of days.

I will forward the new account request again to make sure it doesn't fall
through the cracks, and then set up the CVS commit karma correctly when
the account is set up.

Craig

>
> Can someone please:
> 1) determine if someone is actually reading the mail sent to root.
> 2) create a committer account for this very deserving contributor.
>
> New committer: Oleg Kalnichevski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Project: Jakarta Commons HttpClient
> Userid: oleg
> Voting results:
> +1 Jeff Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> +1 Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> +1 Ortwin Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Thanks,
> -jsd
>
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RE: Forum Software.

[Dominique Devienne]

Yes, what you're saying makes sense. From my perspective, being quite active
with ant-user (and ant-dev), but mostly only lurking on apache-general,
commons-users, turbine-maven with occasional posts, I'd say that mailing
lists are better for active involvement, but news is better for lurking and
the occasional question to a list. This is why I thought Gmane would be
ideal for the latter; unfortunately it doesn't allow posting on non-public
lists, like Apache lists requiring registration. Once Gmane implements this
feature, lurking with occasional post will be easy (as I find using news and
mail together inconvenient). My $.02, --DD

-Original Message-
From: Kief Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:47 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Forum Software.

Robert Simmons typed the following on 03:20 24/01/2003 +0100
>I say that forum software would be useful because I am in three mailing 
>lists at apache that I use in order to ask questions.
>Tomcat, Cocoon and this one. as a result i get an enormous amount of mail. 
>Aout 95% of it is irrelevant to me. Im having to filter
>hundreds of messages per day and that is annyoing.

So, read the archive. The great thing about mailing lists is ithey're open -
anyone
who wants to can put whatever interface they like onto it - web, news,
whatever.
Don't like the search engine? What search engine would you use if it was a
forum? Why not use that on an archive? Do you prefer the threading in your
favorite forum package to that in an archive? Implement it.

A forum is a closed system, it limits access to a single point, and
eliminates
choice. Rather than stripping functionality away from people who use it just
because you don't like it, ignore those features and implement whatever you
do want.

Kief

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Re: [Fwd: No reply from root]

[Brian Behlendorf]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have
> made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is
> no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jeff, I never saw any of your messages, and I get [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
treat mails to it very seriously.

I'll create the account later today.

Brian


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Re: Forum Software.

[Dan Trevino]

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 04:47, Kief Morris wrote:
> So, read the archive. The great thing about mailing lists is ithey're open - anyone
> who wants to can put whatever interface they like onto it - web, news, whatever.
> Don't like the search engine? What search engine would you use if it was a
> forum? Why not use that on an archive? Do you prefer the threading in your
> favorite forum package to that in an archive? Implement it.
> 

Not always a "great thing" unfortunately.  Not when a noob posts to the
wrong list, then insists _HE_ is not reading a mailing list because _HE_
accessed the list via a forum from some web site. ;) 

-- 
Dan Trevino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
bluemagnet, llc

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No reply from root

[Jeffrey Dever]

I am the release prime for the commons-httpclient component.  I have 
made several attempts to have a user added as a committer, but there is 
no response from multiple requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Can someone please:
1) determine if someone is actually reading the mail sent to root.
2) create a committer account for this very deserving contributor.

New committer: Oleg Kalnichevski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Project: Jakarta Commons HttpClient
Userid: oleg
Voting results:
+1 Jeff Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+1 Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+1 Ortwin Gluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanks,
-jsd


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Re: Forum Software.

[Martin van den Bemt]

Very well said!

Mvgr,
Martin

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 10:47, Kief Morris wrote:
> 
> So, read the archive. The great thing about mailing lists is ithey're open - anyone
> who wants to can put whatever interface they like onto it - web, news, whatever.
> Don't like the search engine? What search engine would you use if it was a
> forum? Why not use that on an archive? Do you prefer the threading in your
> favorite forum package to that in an archive? Implement it.
> 
> A forum is a closed system, it limits access to a single point, and eliminates
> choice. Rather than stripping functionality away from people who use it just
> because you don't like it, ignore those features and implement whatever you
> do want.
> 
> Kief
> 



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Re: (PHP interperated via Java) [Fwd: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP]

[Santiago Gala]

Henri Gomez wrote:

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:


I thought this might be interesting to some folks...  They're porting 
PHP to Java...

-Andy

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] PHP
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:13:23 -0500
From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yeah that was my first impulse, to have a PHP interpreter in JBoss so
that we could leverage all the PHP thingies out there.

clearly the problem with PHP is that the guys who do the front end
modules and app DON"T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT COMPONENTS and the
benefits it brings in caching (see whole argument on EJB in BLUE).
Putting EJB behind the whole mess would be great.  PHP can talk java but
it is out of process so that you go back to serialization and LOSE the
benefit of caching.  Period.  So clearly having the PHP code interpreted
in java would be great as you access the db data in cache.

The problem is that the libraries used need to be ported too and that
becomes a pain.  I am really serious with the porting as Julien will be
payed for this.


That's excellent for site which have allready tons of PHP code and
need to switch slowly from PHP to JSP/Servlets.

Also for sites having PHP on some boxes but didn't have PHP binaries on
the target machine (ie iSeries)





Very late, but...

I think the right approach would be to change the PHP templates to 
ensure that they produce "proper" XML (be it XHTML or whatever language 
suits you) and the use it in a Cocoon Reader, or XSLT-it, or whatever, 
from as far away from the original box as you can stay. If the original 
apps are cleanly written (i.e. with themes, etc.) it should be simple

Instead of importing PHP nightmares into java, you would have to deal 
with (more or less) clean data interfaces.

Don't ever allow anybody to lead you to think that "fixing" legacy apps 
is your problem ;-)

This meta-knowledge has worked a lot for me. It you absolutely must, 
just multiply your wages times 10 and pray ;-)

Regards,
 Santiago


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Re: Forum Software.

[Kief Morris]

Robert Simmons typed the following on 03:20 24/01/2003 +0100
>I say that forum software would be useful because I am in three mailing 
>lists at apache that I use in order to ask questions.
>Tomcat, Cocoon and this one. as a result i get an enormous amount of mail. 
>Aout 95% of it is irrelevant to me. Im having to filter
>hundreds of messages per day and that is annyoing.

So, read the archive. The great thing about mailing lists is ithey're open - anyone
who wants to can put whatever interface they like onto it - web, news, whatever.
Don't like the search engine? What search engine would you use if it was a
forum? Why not use that on an archive? Do you prefer the threading in your
favorite forum package to that in an archive? Implement it.

A forum is a closed system, it limits access to a single point, and eliminates
choice. Rather than stripping functionality away from people who use it just
because you don't like it, ignore those features and implement whatever you
do want.

Kief


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