Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 17:53 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
 We're getting in a bit of a half-finished state with regards to location 
 of things etc. Here's my list of things that it seems we need to get 
 done. Nice and aggressive to cause consternation:
 
 
 Move Turbine JCS to SLP (might just be a mail list change now)

Should be done by now. On  http://jakarta.apache.org/jcs/mail-lists.html
they also mention old mailing list and the current lists are jcs-dev
and jcs-users @jakarta.

 Create a 'Graveyard' for dead projects

:-)

 Finish SVN migrations (Turbine-3, POI, JMeter, Cactus)

Turbine-3 should go from CVS to the graveyard. No detour through SVN
please. 

 Deletion of all CVS/SVN karma (and subsequent re-addition upon request).
 +  Clean up the very large lists of committers we have in each SLP.

+1

Regards
Henning

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RE: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 18:58 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:

 Something to represent things that are not expected to have any form of 
 activity in the future:
 
 Alexandria
 Commons Messenger
 Commons Graph (1, 2)

jakarta-turbine-3/
jakarta-turbine-jyve/
jakarta-turbine-orgami/


jakarta-turbine-tdk/ (from CVS)
turbine/stratum (from SVN)

should go to the stable site at some point.

Regards
Henning

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Re: CLA for Brian Stansberry

2005-08-10 Thread Simon Kitching
Thanks Jim. It would appear that the US Postal service have lost the
letter then. Hmm..

I'll ask Brian to post another one.

Regards,

Simon

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 10:46 -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
 Not rec'd.
 
 On Aug 9, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Simon Kitching wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Brian posted in his CLA around 1st of July (that's  5 weeks ago). Is
  there any sign of it?
 
  I've emailed Jim directly but got no response.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Simon
 
 
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Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Torsten Curdt

Finish SVN migrations (Turbine-3, POI, JMeter, Cactus)



Turbine-3 should go from CVS to the graveyard. No detour through SVN
please.


AFAIU (not totally sure) all projects need to migrated to CVS
by the end of the year because CVS is meant to go away. If we
want it to be still available we need to migrate it, too.

cheers
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List moderation

2005-08-10 Thread Simon Kitching
Hi,

I've been a moderator for the bcel-dev@jakarta.apache.org and
bcel-user@jakarta.apache.org for a few months now. In that time there
have been 2 valid emails from people who weren't subscribed, and a few
thousand spam mails.

I'm rather tired of being a human spam filter for the mailing list. As
the ratio of bad to good emails is so high, I suggest that all mails
from unsubscribed users simply be discarded making moderation
unnecessary.

What's the general opinion about this?

Cheers,

Simon


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Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Hi,

(... to SVN...)

Yep. But I intentionally didn't migrate the dead projects into the
jakarta/turbine name space because this would be bound to lead to
confusion and to users seeing this and starting to ask what these trees
were.

Once we agreed on a name, we should have repos/asf/mumble and the
migrate directly from the CVS there.

No, I don't want to call it mumble. ;-) 

Regards
Henning


On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 08:33 +0200, Torsten Curdt wrote:
  Finish SVN migrations (Turbine-3, POI, JMeter, Cactus)
 
 
  Turbine-3 should go from CVS to the graveyard. No detour through SVN
  please.
 
 AFAIU (not totally sure) all projects need to migrated to CVS
 by the end of the year because CVS is meant to go away. If we
 want it to be still available we need to migrate it, too.
 
 cheers
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Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Simon Kitching
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 17:53 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
 BCEL/BSF challenged to show they shouldn't be considered frozen.
 Work on policies for how to spot freezing/graveyard targets; BUT don't
wait on this to create them

Dave Brosius has been reasonably active on BCEL recently. There might be
a bugfix release coming out in the not to distant future.

Long-term I suspect that it is still unlikely to gain new features (esp.
java5.x features which are really needed for the project to survive).
However given Dave's good work I suggest it qualifies as sleepy rather
than dead.

Cheers,

Simon


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Re: List moderation

2005-08-10 Thread Torsten Curdt



Hi,

I've been a moderator for the bcel-dev@jakarta.apache.org and
bcel-user@jakarta.apache.org for a few months now. In that time there
have been 2 valid emails from people who weren't subscribed, and a few
thousand spam mails.

I'm rather tired of being a human spam filter for the mailing list. As
the ratio of bad to good emails is so high, I suggest that all mails
from unsubscribed users simply be discarded making moderation
unnecessary.

What's the general opinion about this?


The question is why do we use moderation at all?

I can see only the reason of cross-posting
which is discouraged anyway ...and still could
be done by people who are subscribed to both lists.

...so I am with you on this

cheers
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Re: List moderation

2005-08-10 Thread Santiago Gala
El mié, 10-08-2005 a las 11:27 +0200, Torsten Curdt escribió:
  Hi,
 
  I've been a moderator for the bcel-dev@jakarta.apache.org and
  bcel-user@jakarta.apache.org for a few months now. In that time there
  have been 2 valid emails from people who weren't subscribed, and a few
  thousand spam mails.
 
  I'm rather tired of being a human spam filter for the mailing list. As
  the ratio of bad to good emails is so high, I suggest that all mails
  from unsubscribed users simply be discarded making moderation
  unnecessary.
 
  What's the general opinion about this?
 
 The question is why do we use moderation at all?
 
 I can see only the reason of cross-posting
 which is discouraged anyway ...and still could
 be done by people who are subscribed to both lists.
 
 ...so I am with you on this
 

with some scripting magics, we could add to the allow list of all
maining lists all apache.org addresses and aliases set up in some files
(iclas.txt and other ones), which would also kill the main use case for
moderation.

Even allowing all email addresses subscribed to any apache.org list to
post to the rest of the public onesm though this would be less safe.

This would leave open for moderation only a few broad lists (for
instance [EMAIL PROTECTED], which I have the pleasure to
moderate :-( ), killing a lot of wasted hours.

Also, FYI, joes2 is doing some info gathering on moderation request to
aid us in filtering incoming moderation spam. See
irc://irc.freenode.net/#asfinfra for more info.


Regards
Santiago

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Re: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-10 Thread Henri Yandell



On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:


Hi,

(... to SVN...)

Yep. But I intentionally didn't migrate the dead projects into the
jakarta/turbine name space because this would be bound to lead to
confusion and to users seeing this and starting to ask what these trees
were.


This is all good. On a global-ASF level I'm collating a list of CVS 
repositories to archive and they'll all get handled in some unified way.


Adding turbine-3 to that list in a bit.

http://www.apache.org/dev/drafts/subversion-migration-plan.txt

Hen

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Announce: ws-jaxme 0.5 released

2005-08-10 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Hi,

the ws-jaxme team is proud to announce the availability of JaxMe 0.5.
JaxMe aims to become an implementation of the JAXB 1.0 specification.

Compared to the version 0.4, the following features have been added:

- Mixed content is supported
- xs:extension is now properly mapped to Java inheritance

Compared to the beta release, several important bugs have been fixed.

JaxMe 0.5 is available from any Apache mirror. See

 http://ws.apache.org/jaxme/downloads.cgi

for a list of mirrors. See also the following links:

JaxMe:http://ws.apache.org/jaxme
JAXB: http://java.sun.com/xml/jaxb


Jochen

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