Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: 1) The first paragraph sounds more like it's describing the ASF than describing Jakarta. A suggestion: - The Jakarta Project offers a diverse set of open source Java solutions and is a part of [The Apache Software Foundation] (ASF). Like all ASF [projects] Jakarta encourages a collaborative, consensus-based development process under an [open software license]. - 2) The first sentence of the second paragraph seems awkward to me. It's not immediately apparent why that information is useful. If I don't know what a TLP is it doesn't really help me, and if I'm looking for a TLP that used to be part of Jakarta it doesn't tell me how to find it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to come up with a better wording. Hopefully someone else is feeling inspired :). 3) Graduated on the left needs to be in the context of a noun. Maybe swapping the left and right columns (leaving About on the left) and making the right column Projects with subheadings of Subprojects and Graduated? That might take up too much space, though. 4) Removing the margin from the ul that makes up the news would help spread that section out a bit. -James On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 14:01 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: Here's my mockup proposal: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Changes: 3 column Strikethrough of links/pages I'd like to kill. Less news. Removal of Related section (aim is to make this a new page). Rewrite of the welcome message to hopefully say the same main thing, but use a lot less space. The aim would also be to switch entirely over to the XSL build version which seems to work fine and dump Anakia creation. Hen On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm a fan of the www.apache.org look and how it gives us a lot more usability in terms of available column space. I'd like to change Jakarta to the 3-columns (though not the lf or anything). Switching to 3-columns means less space in the center for content, however I also want to simplify the content so I think it will look fine. Any views? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
Comments below. On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 21:41 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, James Mason wrote: Henri, Looks good. Big improvement, I think :). I especially like how the third column brings more information above the status bar. A few comments: Thanks :) 1) The first paragraph sounds more like it's describing the ASF than describing Jakarta. A suggestion: - The Jakarta Project offers a diverse set of open source Java solutions and is a part of [The Apache Software Foundation] (ASF). Like all ASF [projects] Jakarta encourages a collaborative, consensus-based development process under an [open software license]. - It actually is meant to be describing the ASF :) To cut down on text, I threw away 'jakarta, like all ASF, encourages...' to the simpler 'ASF encourages'. It's just as true and uses less space. I'd like to dump 'for all its projects' to be honest, but didn't want to lose the link to the ASF Project page. It's tempting to chop the last 4 words and add a ASF link on the right, together with the other ASF ones, under a new heading of About Apache or something. How important is it to put the projects link right in text? I like the way it reads without the last four words, so if it works to put the link elsewhere I think it would be good. 2) The first sentence of the second paragraph seems awkward to me. It's not immediately apparent why that information is useful. If I don't know what a TLP is it doesn't really help me, and if I'm looking for a TLP that used to be part of Jakarta it doesn't tell me how to find it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to come up with a better wording. Hopefully someone else is feeling inspired :). Two big parts I'm looking for in this paragraph. 1) Jakarta = umbrella project. I don't want to say umbrella as that's an odd metaphor to the uninitiated. How about parent? 2) Definition of graduating, attempt at an explanation of why projects are no longer to be found in Jakarta (a common user confusion I think). The TLP acronym isn't highly important (at first I thought it was good to get it accross, but it's too much info). Linking to the bit above, I could dump the TLP acronym and make this the link to the ASF project page. Hmmm... How about Jakarta shepherds?? many [subprojects], many of which have grown and [graduated] into top level ASF [projects]. Some synonyms for shepherds: guides, oversees, supervises, watches over, is responsible for. I think it would be good to link to the list of graduated projects from the text. 3) Graduated on the left needs to be in the context of a noun. Maybe swapping the left and right columns (leaving About on the left) and making the right column Projects with subheadings of Subprojects and Graduated? That might take up too much space, though. Gah! Much as I want to scoff at the suggestion for the pain it causes, I think you're right, to be correct it should be a noun. Putting the projects on the right was an option, but I think that consumers will mostly want to click through to a subproject, rather than any other link there and the LHS is the prime navigation spot. It also matches the www.apache.org approach, which is nice for the symmetry of a user clicking through and not having to adjust their navigation flow. Looking at apache.org, how about moving the About Jakarta section to the right. This would parallel the Foundation section on apache.org. What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else uses subheadings. It does put Graduated into context with a noun, though. Possibly I could change Graduated to Graduated Subprojects? Seems a bit long. 'Graduates' seems wrong. Looking for a good label here :) 4) Removing the margin from the ul that makes up the news would help spread that section out a bit. Yep. I'm going to hassle a few web designers I know on spacing issues once I've updated the XSL build to output this site. All their suggestions will involve CSS, so I'll need to have a CSS sheet by then I suspect. If you need a hand here, let me know. Part of my day job is web design. -James Thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANNOUNCE] Release of Slide 2.1
The Jakarta Slide community is pleased to announce the release of Slide 2.1. This is a combined bug fix and feature release. Feedback is greatly appreciated, especially in the form of bug reports. You can download Slide2.1 from: http://jakarta.apache.org/slide/download.html Release notes are at: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-slide/RELEASE-NOTES-2.1?rev=1.1.2.1 The Slide project page is: http://jakarta.apache.org/slide -James (on behalf of the Jakarta Slide community) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] moving jakarta-site2 to subversion
+1 It sounds like the potential pitfalls have been covered. -James On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 22:39 -0500, Tim O'Brien wrote: This is the simplest SVN migration in Jakarta. The migration instructions follow for review: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/Site2_20Conversion_20Instructions 72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote requires majority (at least 3 +1s and more +1s than -1s ) [ ] +1, migrate jakarta-site2 CVS to /jakarta/site SVN [ ] +0 [ ] -0 [ ] -1, No - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request for karma for jakarta-site2
Thanks, Stefan. -James On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 23:14, Stefan Bodewig wrote: done Stefan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Request for karma for jakarta-site2
As per the instructions at http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/KarmaInfo I am requesting karma for the jakarta-site2 CVS module. As part of the upcoming Slide beta release I will need to update the download links. -James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
