Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo
+1000 --- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude get a life and stop wining, we have better things to do, than read this shit. One thing is to have an opinion, the other thing is listening when people are actually saying you are wining and complaining at the worng place. LISTEN! Mvgr, Martin On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 23:37, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Scott Tavares wrote: Geezz relax Vic, . I can not understand why you are so passionate about this. Sincerely I think this is bad for open source and for sofware, which is where I do make a living. This is great for comercail vendors, proving that open source are... less ethical. What does it mean to be an open source supporter now, to a client? (OK, I should take the point that I need to let go of Don Quihote) I think lawyers have a bad reputation, and I do not want my profesion, sofware engineers to have that reputation. Henri Yandel wrote: This is where we get into the question of whether the ASF have licenced under an ASF licence, and not the LGPL licence of Elba, a piece of code that is not licensable. If so, then they have legally broken a barrier. Use of code is tricky, what if they have merely copied a design. I've not seen anything in terms of open source test cases to suggest how open open-source designs are. The apprent position of ASF is that.. well it's same design but we have (former jBoss developers changing the implementation over time. In esence, in music, same notes, but diferent performance ( same musicians.) You don't see how a PHB might hesiteate to hire an OSS suporter? Can somone downlaod ResinEE (for example :-) source, and refactor and now they own it? Or take OrionServer and decompile and refactor, and now they own it? Do ... or don't do what you want. I am done with it. .V ps: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-devm=106858581404361w=2 (I can see the water mill now, now... it's a Dragon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mvdb.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun
--- Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution... Neither do i, provided that corporation gives you their j2ee server for free, with no strings attached; you don't have to buy their database, their hardware, their os, their services, etc... I can download and use JBoss for free. = http://nathaniel-auvil.blog-city.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft attempts to patent .NET
The true question will be whether they plan to enfore the patents. Which, looking at their track record and anti-open source position, seems likely. --- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surprise surprise... http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61thread=6843 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = An easy read on your Digital Rights Disappearing [http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/10/21/1449250.shtml?tid=19] Broadcast Protection Discussion Group [http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/] Senator Hollings receives a pathetically piffling $278,534 to his coffers from the TV, movies and music businesses [http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4689] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way
i disagree. C# is just a language, it is != .net. there are many pieces to the .net puzzle that you can be sure microsoft will never release to open source or a true standards body. If Apache commits to C#, it would do nothing but lend credibility to Micro$oft and .net in the eyes of uninformed people. Microsoft will not let Mono succeed no matter what they are saying now; if Mono can do the entire .net platform, how does micro$oft make money? Sun sells hardware, and if they can make money off licensing java, that is just gravy, although they would like to start making more software because of the higher margins. Sun can not stop the open source java movement as it is too mature and their customers are sensitive to it. And how many companies would actually roll out Mono when Micro$oft has patents all over the .net stuff that they could sue over at any moment. And they have a proven track record of sh*ting all over people moving in on their turf. sorry for the rant... --- Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/12/02 1:00 James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Question I have for everybody here is does anyone have any interest in Porting any of the other jakarta projects to C# so that they may be able to run on Mono/Linux/windows .Net/Micorsoft ? what this sppose to mean ppl, why want you to support C#! Sticky issue, but from one perspective you could say that C# / CL* have more potential to be an open platform than java at the moment, considering that Microsoft has submitted most of the base platform to ECMA, while Sun still has a strangle-hold on Java... Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to agree... And since now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = An easy read on your Digital Rights Disappearing [http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/10/21/1449250.shtml?tid=19] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
adding my project to jakarta
My name is Nathaniel Auvil and I run the jCharts project hosted at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jcharts/ I was wondering if there would be any possibility of jCharts joining the Jakarta project. I have been carrying all the weight of this project since its inception have trouble finding people who want to contribute to the project. My hopes are that if I could joing the Jakarta project, help would be easier to find. I have some big changes in store for the 0.4 release so check the project out! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: adding my project to jakarta
thanks everyone for all the info. i see i have a lot of work to do. ;) if anyone would like help out or give more advice, please do so. --- acoliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:13:50 1100 Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote. No offense to commons but if one can make ones project move up the list on sourceforge, I would venture to guess they'd get far more exposure then as a new package under commons. There is a hump to travel up on sourceforge, but once you're over it your project gets in this reinforcing loop that causes it to stay on the front page. Heck, after POI moved to jakarta it still managed to stay in the 96 percentile on Sourceforge and we've not released in like a month or so. Just my opinion. One does have to market an opensource project...there is no getting around it. On sourceforge that means you have to get enough going to get in the top 50. (both by getting traffic for the site and by committing enough to help raise the activity rating). If you do that the rest will follow (in my experience). Being in Commons won't help you in this respect as much as being front page on sourceforge I'd venture to guess. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
