RE: Forum Software.

[Sale, Doug]

This should be the Jakarta tagline.

"I think use Jakarta dogmeet."

-doug ;]

> -Original Message-
> From: V. Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Forum Software.
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> 
> And I volunteer to write a Struts/Tomcat based one ( I have most of 
> functionality in basicPortal.com that uses a lot of jakarta project).
> 
> I think use Jakarta dogmeet.
> .V
> Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:15:22PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > 
> >>We have a license and an installation of Jive, if someone 
> wants to get it up
> >>to speed... It's on nagoya.
> > 
> > 
> > If you need a volunteer to maintain it, I'll be happy to do 
> so - among
> > other things, I develop and maintain the Jive-based forums 
> for The Sims
> > Online.  However, I'm firmly in the mailing-list camp, at 
> least as regards
> > Apache.  I don't see any reason to "fix" what isn't broken.
> > 
> > IMHO, the forums will be useful to the extent that their 
> purpose does
> > not overlap with the mailing list and thus split the 
> community.  What
> > purpose that leaves, I don't know.
> > 
> > Jeff Schnitzer
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RE: Maven is growing

[Sale, Doug]

agreed.  the swearing
(http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05130.html),
self-congratulating web page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html), and
general attitude is disheartening.

most of us don't need others to step in and defend our 'nice-guy' status.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:18 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Maven is growing
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> 
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> 
> > well, just yesterday we had:
> > 
> > [daedalus] 10:56am ~ > grep -c "/maven/" 02
> > 7546
> > 
> > Looks like the *entire* life of your project has been around 9500...
> > 
> > OhhA
> 
> My english vocabulary is too limited to express what I feel 
> reading this...
> 
> Maybe ashamed to be in the same 'community' with this kind of
> person. 
> 
> Costin
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Apple/Java (was RE: You guys are so funny.)

[Sale, Doug]

i'm fairly new to Apple & OS/X (about a month w/ my TiBook), and have thus
not run into the native code dependency problems (yet).

i'm all for anything that would elevate the dev community's issues to both
camps (Sun/Apple).

-doug

> -Original Message-
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: You guys are so funny.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> 
> > >> I am.  I use a mac w/ OS X :)
> > >
> > > Same here... Everywhere... :)
> > >
> >
> > Me too.  I'm hooked.  TiBook wherever I go, dualie 800 at 
> home.  Can't go
> > back.
> 
> The Apple Java list has had some complaints recently that Sun 
> don't care
> about Apple users and that Apple can't supply the time to support Java
> users.
> 
> Apple are doing a great job, but JAI, J3D, J2ME, J2EE, 
> Jblahblah and all
> the other Sun released APIs which have native parts (J2EE 
> deployer does I
> think) are not available yet. Sun's basic response is to talk 
> to Apple,
> Apple's is: We'll get around to it, it's a lot to do.
> 
> Sun are taking most of the flak it seems.
> 
> I wonder what a survey of Jakarta developers coding environments would
> show. If Sun were to discover that 40% of Jakarta committers 
> prefer OS X,
> would that change their opinion etc?
> 
> Or is it a, "Yeah, but we care more about the majority of users, ie)
> newbies. "
> 
> I can see a good reason for not supporting J2EE well on a 
> Mac. Until Apple
> release a 1U OS X server there's not much point, but the rest 
> are a shame.
> 
> [Thought that rant/comment was vaguely on topic]
> 
> Hen
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RE: Open Source JDO Implementation??

[Sale, Doug]

 :) 

but isn't there some way to map multiple results to a single object?  can't
an object be backed by a result set, so all results aren't in memory?

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:09 PM
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> Subject: Re: Open Source JDO Implementation??
> 
> 
> Actually this is not that simple. I don't remember how JDO 
> handles it, 
> but here is the general problem description. Within any O/R layer you 
> would need to maintain a balance between 2 things - fresh data and 
> caching for performance. Lets take a look at 2 extremes:
> 
> 
> 1. Objects data is never cached.
> 
> Every time you need to read an object, a query needs to be 
> issued to the 
> database. This is bad for 2 reasons - speed (since database 
> queries are 
> relatively slow), exessive object creation. Every time 
> somebody does a 
> fetch from a table with 1 rows, 1 objects will be 
> created. Next 
> second the same user hits "search again" button and gets a new 1 
> objects again. This new batch of objects is logically the 
> same objects, 
> since they represent the same database rows. But since we had 
> no cache, 
> we have to create them again, all 1 of them. Very slow
> 
> 2. Objects are always cached.
> 
> There is an application-wide cache. Every time you need an 
> object with a 
> certain id, it is first looked up in the cache, and only if it is not 
> there, it is being fetched from the database. Good for 
> performance, but 
> bad for everything else. Problems with this is large memory footprint 
> (eventually you can suck the whole database in the cache), 
> stale data. 
> Stale data is the worst of the two. Especially when the database is 
> being updated externally via SQL or from other applications (which is 
> the case in 99% of real life scenarious).
> 
> 
> 
> A balanced O/R layer would have some sort of combination of the two 
> abovementioned approaches. It would maintain the cache, 
> expire it when 
> needed (very non-trivial task in fact), and also would give user an 
> opportunity to explicitly bypass the cache. IMHO if this problem 
> (caching vs. fresh data) is solved properly, O/R way would rule the 
> world :-). State of the art now is pretty close via different 
> optimization techniques, etc. but there is still lots of 
> mileage to cover.
> 
> 
> ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
> - Andrei (a.k.a. Andrus) Adamchik
> Home of Cayenne - O/R Persistence Framework
> http://objectstyle.org/cayenne/
> email: andrus-jk at objectstyle dot org
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> 
> Sale, Doug wrote:
> > how so?
> > 
> > doug :)
> >
> >>>>Note JDO are not scalable nd only simple. 
> >>>
> >>>I know this isn't the place to discuss this,
> >>>but couldn't resist asking for the reasons
> >>>supporting this assertion.
> >>
> >>Without caching, they lead to excessive object creation.
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RE: Open Source JDO Implementation??

[Sale, Doug]

how so?

doug :)

> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel Rall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: Open Source JDO Implementation??
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> "Magesh Umasankar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > From: "Jakarta General Newsgroup" 
> <@[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> 
> >> Note JDO are not scalable nd only simple. 
> >
> > I know this isn't the place to discuss this,
> > but couldn't resist asking for the reasons
> > supporting this assertion.
> 
> Without caching, they lead to excessive object creation.
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RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

[Sale, Doug]

except that licence, is only used in Middle English

> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:20 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?
> 
> 
> Are you referring to the noun or the verb?
> 
> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=licence*1+0
> 
> In short, "licence" is the noun, "license" is the verb.
> 
> Geez, these Americans think they speak English... ;-) ;-)
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> From: "Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?
> 
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> > http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license
> >
> > http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=licence
> >
> >
> > alex wrote:
> > >
> > > At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote:
> > > > > It is spelled licence.  ;-)
> > >
> > > Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point!   
> (Just kidding
> Jon -
> > > no offence)
> > >
> > > licenSe is what Apache Software Foundation does - ie the act of
> licensing.
> > > licenCe is the document or permit given - eg the file itself.
> > >
> > > Since this is all about the document then "licenCe" is the correct
> spelling
> > > (ignoring Case that is).
> > >
> > > Personally I feel the existing web page which Jon 
> reminded us of was
> quite
> > > good and if there is anything important missing then that 
> is the page
> which
> > > should be improved.
> > >
> > > Alex
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