Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Everyone seems to like this. I see no reason for a formal vote. If people would be so kind to update or create confluence content, when we have a critical mass I can organize the switcheroo. On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Colm O hEigeartaigh cohei...@apache.org wrote: Another +1 from me. What about the webpages of the constituent projects? For example, WSS4J has its own Forrest generated webpage. Maybe this should be merged with the new WS confluence page as well? Colm. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Nadir, There is also a user who would like to submit updates for the Axis1/Java site (which as you pointed out is intertwined with Axis/C++) and who is struggling with the Forrest stuff [1]. Maybe you can join that discussion to see what can be done for the old Axis1 site. Andreas [1] http://markmail.org/thread/w335pq7dgoyeq3bz On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 02:12, Sagara Gunathunga sagara.gunathu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nadir, There are some discussions on java-dev list about axis site redesign [1] that also based on Confluence. Chanaka Jayasena already making some progress on this and you may join with him or you can take your own path. The best place to have your discussion is either axis java-dev list or this Jira ticket [2]. [1] - http://osdir.com/ml/java-dev/2010-10/msg00034.html [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-4773 Thanks ! On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Nadir, Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/ axis axis2 axis-c They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org, instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org. You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could lead the charge there? --benson On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: Benson, Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined. So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the content for Axis? Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM: From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously I wasn't paying enough attention. Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content just to make you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up. Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645) Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37 PM: From: Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Cc: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog -- Sagara Gunathunga Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Another +1 from me. What about the webpages of the constituent projects? For example, WSS4J has its own Forrest generated webpage. Maybe this should be merged with the new WS confluence page as well? Colm. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
+1 for Confluence . Ideally pages like this [1] should be updated with noticeable events of sub projects and I also believe it's much more easy to maintains Confluence than Forrest. [1] - http://ws.apache.org/news.html Thanks ! On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog -- Sagara Gunathunga Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
+1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
On Friday 15 October 2010 3:25:37 pm Andreas Veithen wrote: +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? This is the big negative. You need admin access to confluence to edit those. However, admin access is generally given out like candy if needed for this purpose. There is an AutoExport tab on the Admin page where the capability to edit the template and re-export the entire space it found. 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Every hour, the confluence stuff is rsynced over to people.apache.org: /www/confluence-exports. Thus, what is needed is for someone to create a crontab that each hour, rsyncs stuff from there over to the /www/ws.apache.org directory. The maven projects just dump stuff there as well. Thus, as long as the rsync doesn't delete anything it shouldn't, all is well. Dan Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously I wasn't paying enough attention. Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content just to make you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up. Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645) Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37 PM: From: Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Cc: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Nadir, Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/ axis axis2 axis-c They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org, instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org. You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could lead the charge there? --benson On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: Benson, Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined. So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the content for Axis? Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM: From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously I wasn't paying enough attention. Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content just to make you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up. Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645) Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37 PM: From: Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Cc: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Hi Nadir, There are some discussions on java-dev list about axis site redesign [1] that also based on Confluence. Chanaka Jayasena already making some progress on this and you may join with him or you can take your own path. The best place to have your discussion is either axis java-dev list or this Jira ticket [2]. [1] - http://osdir.com/ml/java-dev/2010-10/msg00034.html [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-4773 Thanks ! On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Nadir, Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/ axis axis2 axis-c They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org, instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org. You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could lead the charge there? --benson On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: Benson, Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined. So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the content for Axis? Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM: From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously I wasn't paying enough attention. Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra a...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 for Confluence. I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content just to make you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up. Nadir Amra Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645) Internet: a...@us.ibm.com Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37 PM: From: Andreas Veithen andreas.veit...@gmail.com To: general@ws.apache.org Cc: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site +1 for Confluence. I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but there are two technical questions that are not clear to me: 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained? 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites? Andreas On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote: I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-) On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote: We've got 1.5 web sites here. There's http://ws.apache.org which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6. Then we've got: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the above) to be useful. Well, it's already being exported: https://cwiki.apache.org/WS but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the Confluence content is much easier. Dan I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant problems, put it to a vote. -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org http://dankulp.com/blog -- Sagara Gunathunga Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
