Re: [gentoo-amd64] ASUS M2A-VM and kernel 2.6.27
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:37 AM, David Relson wrote: > H'lo Branko, > > No nvidia. The M2A-VM mobo has builtin ATI Radeon X1200 capability so > I have no need for a separate video card. > > As to the IOMMU, I've already changed the BIOS to allow the maximum > memory usage (256MB) for the purpose. The change hasn't stopped the > "IOMMU out of space" messages. > > I'm truly looking for someone running 64 bit gentoo on the M2A-VM mobo > and using a new kernel with the CONFIG_AMD_IOMMU capability. > > Regards, > > David there are lot's of bios updates for this board that fix memory/compatibility issues. You might want to try latest BIOS, which currently is version 2201 that was released 10th of November. Martin
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: hardware choice
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> 2) Main board. >> >> I was advised to get Asus P5K Premium (P35, ICH9) for Q6600. The thing >> is there are models from the P5Q series (like P5Q3) which have a newer >> chipset (P45, ICH10) but the same price. I can't understand why should >> I choose the premium mobo even it's an older model. Please, advise. > > I'd recommend the Asus P5E is you can find it. It's X38 based (slightly > more overclockable then P35 and P45, supports crossfire PCIe x16 while P35 > and P45 only have PCIe x8 in crossfire) with FSB1600 and its price is very > good (130€ here). Since about 2 months I have a new system. I was also looking into the Asus P5Q series, but noticed that it has a harddisk controller that was not fully supported by the kernel at that time. Eventually I have bought a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R, which runs fine. I want to use this new machine for about 5 years. I expect that even on the desktop, multi-threading and parallel execution will become the standard, so I chose a quad-core instead of a dual core (if you play games, you might want to look for dual core with higher MHz). This board has extra cooling features that only work with 45 Nm CPU, so I bought a Q9300 instead of Q6600 (which had better value for money). The memory I used: OCZ2RPR10664GK (OCZ, Reaper edition, PC2-8500 @ 1066 MHz, 4 GB Kit). Twice: so a total of 8 GB, /var/tmp/portage and /tmp are mounted as tmpfs.. Regards, Martin
[gentoo-amd64] Re: hardware choice
Daniel Iliev wrote: I've decided to get an Intel based box, but I've not been following closely the hardware development for more than 5 years. Another trouble is that most of the people I can ask don't use Gentoo and they miss the point of "much compiling". So, I need your help. 1) CPU: model,CPU Freq,FSB Freq,cache,technology E8400, 3.00GHz, 1333MHz, 6MB, 45nm Q8200, 2.33GHz, 1333MHz, 4MB, 45nm Q6600, 2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB, 65nm Which one? (please, consider overclocking). I would get the E8400 because it overclocks good. Upping the FSB from 333 to 400 will give you 3.6GHz (the CPU has a multiplier of x9). That means you can get DDR2 800MHz RAM and run it with an FSB:DRAM ratio of 1:1 (400 FSB = 800 DDR). 1:1 FSB:DRAM is the fastest configuration for Intel systems. If you get DDR2 1066 RAM, then you can up the FSB even more while retaining the 1:1 FSB:DRAM ratio. The E8400 can go up to about 4.4GHz with a good aftermarket cooler. Don't overclock it at all though with the stock cooler. On the local market those are in the same price range and I'm going to take Q6600 for the bigger cache (8MB). Is that the correct choice? The Q6600 has *less* cache per core than the E8400. The E8400 has 3MB per core while the Q6600 has 2MB per core. Yes, it's shared cache, but for emerges all the core will be used. The reason I recommend the dual core over the quad core is that compiling isn't the primary use of a desktop PC. Application performance is, that's why the higher speed per core of the E8400 is IMO better. 2) Main board. I was advised to get Asus P5K Premium (P35, ICH9) for Q6600. The thing is there are models from the P5Q series (like P5Q3) which have a newer chipset (P45, ICH10) but the same price. I can't understand why should I choose the premium mobo even it's an older model. Please, advise. I'd recommend the Asus P5E is you can find it. It's X38 based (slightly more overclockable then P35 and P45, supports crossfire PCIe x16 while P35 and P45 only have PCIe x8 in crossfire) with FSB1600 and its price is very good (130€ here). 3) DDR2 600,800 or 1066? The thing confusing me is that the newer CPUs run at 1333MHz and the older (Q6600) at 1066. So, which DDR2? It doesn't matter if the CPU is FSB1333 or FSB1066 because you can run the RAM at whatever speed you want. But as I mentioned earlier, the fastest FSB:DRAM configuration on Intel chips is 1:1, so to up the FSB above 400 while retaining this 1:1 ratio, you'll need 1066 RAM. The timings don't matter that much on Intel, so 5-5-5-15 RAM will perform virtually just as well as 4-4-4-12 RAM. 4) Overclock I intend to overclock the system but not extremely. I've been told Q6600 would go up to 3GHz w/o any trouble. Is that true? Depends on the CPU (not all Q6600 are equal) and motherboard. But in general, 3GHz is easy to get with that CPU. Note: only with a good aftermarket cooler! Don't try with the stock one. How high would the other two CPUs go w/o additional cooling and compromising the stability? You don't overclock with the stock cooler. Unless you consider an overclock of, say, 200MHz as overclocking (the Q6600 for example can go from 2.4GHz to 2.6GHz with the stock cooler). Higher than that may be stable at the beginning, but the life of the CPU is greatly diminished. It won't live for long if it runs at 70C while with a better cooler it would run at 50C. If you intend to only "overclock" that much, then there's no point in going Intel at all. I'd recommend AMD in that case.
Re: [gentoo-amd64] hardware choice
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Daniel Iliev wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:57:00 +0100 > Branko Badrljica wrote: > >> Given your CPU choices, it is obvious that you are ignoring i7, I >> suspect beacise the price. >> > > Correct. After all even the platform I'm targeting at is an overkill > for my Home desktop needs. > >> In that case, I think you should reconsider AMD. I have a couple of >> Phenoms, which work really fine with Gentoo. >> >> However, if its lower frequency and smaller cache of 9850 and 9950 is >> what bothers you, you should consider Deneb, which is to come out any >> day now. > > I was told to wait for "the new Phenom", though the guy said rumor has > it the release will be in Jan or Feb next year. Anyways, it doesn't > matter for me. I had Athlon-XP, now I'm with a Sempron. It's time to > get an Intel for a change. I hope a CPU like those I target at will be > more than enough for my computing needs for the next 2 or 3 > years. > > So, my questions still remain: > - q6600, e8400 or q8200? Which is faster after overclock with plain > air cooling and plain mid-tower box? > - what mobo should I take for it > - what kind of ddr2 should I get I personally run an Asus Maximus board with a Q6600 OC'd to 3.4G & 8 gigs of DDR2 800. That said theres little reason to run a quad core for just desktop type stuff so my suggestion would be to go with the E8400 & some low latency DDR2 1066 or 1200. 4 GHz is typically obtainable with that CPU so you don't want the RAM to be your limiting factor. The P5K series is based on the older P35 chipset, you should prolly go with the P45 based series - P5Q. The only differences between Pro, -E, Deluxe, etc models are extra ports & bling. Just figure out if you need extra wifi or sata ports or esata then go with the cheapest model that meets your needs. A lot of people on this list (myself included) use a tmpfs to speed up compilations, a good motivator for 4 gigs of RAM if you can handle it.
Re: [gentoo-amd64] ASUS M2A-VM and kernel 2.6.27
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:37:28 +0100 Branko Badrljica wrote: > David Relson wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anybody using an ASUS M2A-VM mobo with a 2.6.27 kernel? > > > I have had somewhat similar problems on Phenom. > Do you have nvidia card on the machine ? > > If so, there is some parameter for the module that limits its use of > IOMMU space. > Also, I thint the problem was rectified in later revisions of the > driver. > > Regards, > > > Branko H'lo Branko, No nvidia. The M2A-VM mobo has builtin ATI Radeon X1200 capability so I have no need for a separate video card. As to the IOMMU, I've already changed the BIOS to allow the maximum memory usage (256MB) for the purpose. The change hasn't stopped the "IOMMU out of space" messages. I'm truly looking for someone running 64 bit gentoo on the M2A-VM mobo and using a new kernel with the CONFIG_AMD_IOMMU capability. Regards, David
Re: [gentoo-amd64] hardware choice
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:57:00 +0100 Branko Badrljica wrote: > Given your CPU choices, it is obvious that you are ignoring i7, I > suspect beacise the price. > Correct. After all even the platform I'm targeting at is an overkill for my Home desktop needs. > In that case, I think you should reconsider AMD. I have a couple of > Phenoms, which work really fine with Gentoo. > > However, if its lower frequency and smaller cache of 9850 and 9950 is > what bothers you, you should consider Deneb, which is to come out any > day now. I was told to wait for "the new Phenom", though the guy said rumor has it the release will be in Jan or Feb next year. Anyways, it doesn't matter for me. I had Athlon-XP, now I'm with a Sempron. It's time to get an Intel for a change. I hope a CPU like those I target at will be more than enough for my computing needs for the next 2 or 3 years. So, my questions still remain: - q6600, e8400 or q8200? Which is faster after overclock with plain air cooling and plain mid-tower box? - what mobo should I take for it - what kind of ddr2 should I get -- Best regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-amd64] ASUS M2A-VM and kernel 2.6.27
David Relson wrote: Hi, Anybody using an ASUS M2A-VM mobo with a 2.6.27 kernel? I have had somewhat similar problems on Phenom. Do you have nvidia card on the machine ? If so, there is some parameter for the module that limits its use of IOMMU space. Also, I thint the problem was rectified in later revisions of the driver. Regards, Branko
[gentoo-amd64] ASUS M2A-VM and kernel 2.6.27
Hi, Anybody using an ASUS M2A-VM mobo with a 2.6.27 kernel? When I attempt to boot a 2.6.27 kernel, I see the "Loading modules" message (and messages for loaded modules) and then the boot process hangs. With a 2.6.25 kernel, after all the module messages boot displays "Activating mdev". I've never seen this message with the 2.6.27 kernel. For that matter, I tried 2.6.26 a while back and had the same problem. Anybody know about this problem or what might cause it? On a related note, a few weeks back I started seeing kernel messages like: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for 8192 bytes at device :00:14.1 PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for 1536 bytes at device :02:00.0 The 2.6.25 kernel ran fine for several months before these started appearing, so I suspect a hardware issue. However, when running 2.6.27's "make xconfig" I noticed there's an AMD_IOMMU option. I'd very much like to see if it relates to the messages above. If you've got an M2A-VM running, perhaps you could share your .config with me??? Regards, David
Re: [gentoo-amd64] hardware choice
Branko Badrljica wrote: Ooops. Sorry for top-post ;o/
Re: [gentoo-amd64] hardware choice
Given your CPU choices, it is obvious that you are ignoring i7, I suspect beacise the price. In that case, I think you should reconsider AMD. I have a couple of Phenoms, which work really fine with Gentoo. However, if its lower frequency and smaller cache of 9850 and 9950 is what bothers you, you should consider Deneb, which is to come out any day now. 3GHz model should be quite cheap, it has 6MB of L3 which is not far from Intel's 8Mb and it also allegedly overclocks very well. People are getting to 4.4GHz on aircooling, which means machine should behave rock stable at 3.5GHz+ with really good cooler, like Thermalright IFX-14. Boards are relatively good and inexpensive, as well as DDR-II RAM is these days. I have stuffed 8GB in my box for something like €150. I have Foxcon A7DA-S, but Biostar models seem to be cheaper and record OC was done on such board ( 6.3 GHz on LN2), so it should perform well. Also, having a true QC can mean something with optimised multithread code. Intel's i7 is fine, but quite expensive and its smaller i5 won't be on the market for some time, and getting old C2D or Q2D seems a bit of waste these days... Daniel Iliev wrote: Hi, guys! I've decided to get an Intel based box, but I've not been following closely the hardware development for more than 5 years. Another trouble is that most of the people I can ask don't use Gentoo and they miss the point of "much compiling". So, I need your help. 1) CPU: model,CPU Freq,FSB Freq,cache,technology E8400, 3.00GHz, 1333MHz, 6MB, 45nm Q8200, 2.33GHz, 1333MHz, 4MB, 45nm Q6600, 2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB, 65nm Which one? (please, consider overclocking). On the local market those are in the same price range and I'm going to take Q6600 for the bigger cache (8MB). Is that the correct choice? 2) Main board. I was advised to get Asus P5K Premium (P35, ICH9) for Q6600. The thing is there are models from the P5Q series (like P5Q3) which have a newer chipset (P45, ICH10) but the same price. I can't understand why should I choose the premium mobo even it's an older model. Please, advise. 3) DDR2 600,800 or 1066? The thing confusing me is that the newer CPUs run at 1333MHz and the older (Q6600) at 1066. So, which DDR2? 4) Overclock I intend to overclock the system but not extremely. I've been told Q6600 would go up to 3GHz w/o any trouble. Is that true? How high would the other two CPUs go w/o additional cooling and compromising the stability? Thanks in advance! -- Best regards, Daniel
[gentoo-amd64] hardware choice
Hi, guys! I've decided to get an Intel based box, but I've not been following closely the hardware development for more than 5 years. Another trouble is that most of the people I can ask don't use Gentoo and they miss the point of "much compiling". So, I need your help. 1) CPU: model,CPU Freq,FSB Freq,cache,technology E8400, 3.00GHz, 1333MHz, 6MB, 45nm Q8200, 2.33GHz, 1333MHz, 4MB, 45nm Q6600, 2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB, 65nm Which one? (please, consider overclocking). On the local market those are in the same price range and I'm going to take Q6600 for the bigger cache (8MB). Is that the correct choice? 2) Main board. I was advised to get Asus P5K Premium (P35, ICH9) for Q6600. The thing is there are models from the P5Q series (like P5Q3) which have a newer chipset (P45, ICH10) but the same price. I can't understand why should I choose the premium mobo even it's an older model. Please, advise. 3) DDR2 600,800 or 1066? The thing confusing me is that the newer CPUs run at 1333MHz and the older (Q6600) at 1066. So, which DDR2? 4) Overclock I intend to overclock the system but not extremely. I've been told Q6600 would go up to 3GHz w/o any trouble. Is that true? How high would the other two CPUs go w/o additional cooling and compromising the stability? Thanks in advance! -- Best regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: can not install nvidia driver
Duncan, thank you. I recopiled 2.6.26 and it worked. I tried it with 2.6.26 earlier but it didn't work for some odd reason. Since I create a short cut to my recent kernel source, the invidia driver was using that short cut when build against 2.6.26. The symlink /usr/src/linux points to /usr/src/linux-2.6.27. I don't know why that was happening but it's working now. Thank you. Duncan wrote: Mansour Al Akeel posted 49433267.1090...@gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:56:23 -0400: In file included from /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work/NVIDIA-Linux- x86_64-173.14.09-pkg2/usr/src/nv/nv.c:14: /var/tmp/portage/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-173.14.09/work/NVIDIA-Linux- x86_64-173.14.09-pkg2/usr/src/nv/nv-linux.h:107:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory The arch-x86 (including 64-bit) header files were reorganized in kernel 2.6.27, and as that says, asm/semaphore.h (or more like asm-x86/ semaphore.h) no longer exists in .27. I won't install proprietaryware so no nvidia for me and no direct experience with it to help you with, but it's likely nVidia hasn't updated to take account of that yet (or if so it'd probably be with the newest drivers, which may not even be in portage yet let alone stable). You did mention switching your running kernel back to 2.6.26.x, which should work, but did you switch your kernel symlink back to it as well? If not, it's probably still pointing at the 2.6.27.x kernel, thus you'd still be getting the error.
Re: [gentoo-amd64] e2fsprogs-libs liblkid.so.1 broken system
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 11:47 +1100, Daiajo Tibdixious wrote: > 2 days ago I did > emerge --sync > emerge -aDuv system > > which blocked on (I'm going from memory here, my system is down & > unbootable except off CD): > sys-libs/ss > sys-libs/ something else > something/e2fsprogs-libs > See https://bugs.gentoo.org/234907#c115 quickpkg com_err ss e2fsprogs && emerge -uDNf world && emerge -C com_err ss e2fsprogs && emerge e2fsprogs && emerge -uDN world && revdep-rebuild #(, if necessary) I would boot from a livecd, mount & chroot into the system and then follow the instructions. Jon
