Re: [gentoo-amd64] Problems with pam-0.99 upgrade

2007-11-04 Thread Richard Freeman
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Mark Knecht wrote:
> 
> Richard,
>Thanks for the response. I would have NEVER guessed that this qfile
> command was telling me the files that are no longer needed. I should
> have read the man page on that.

Well, strictly speaking it points out files that are not owned by any
installed package.  Normally when a file is no longer needed it gets
deleted, but the config protect feature prevents this in /etc.

> 
>Now, was the intent of this Wiki to tell me what didn't need
> editing or what did? Seems very strange to me to point out files I
> don't need anymore but leave the impression I do.
> 

Hmm - not sure what wiki you're referring to, but the upgrade guide is
at: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/pam/upgrade-0.99.xml

The text around "qfile -o /etc/pam.d/*" is:
Because of the nature of configuration files, you might still have old
configuration files for packages you already removed, so you should
check first that there are no orphan files (files not belonging to any
package), for instance through the qfile command present in
app-portage/portage-utils.

and

The most common presence of orphan files in /etc/pam.d are the backup
files created by most editors, ending with a tilde character (~). The
remaining files, unless you created them yourself for your particular
setup, should be safe to remove (or at least move away), as they are
probably leftovers from previously installed packages. A special
exception for this is /etc/pam.d/vmware-authd for vmware-server, that is
created by the vmware-config.pl script (but it should be safe to remove
unless you edited it manually, you'll just have to re-execute the script).

Even so, I'll be the first to stand up and proclaim that PAM is confusing.

>Anyway, the machine is working and I apprecaite your help.
> 

You're very welcome!

Rich
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Problems with pam-0.99 upgrade

2007-11-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On 11/4/07, Richard Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Mark Knecht wrote:
> > OK, knowing as you all do that I'm a non-admin sort of person these
> > sort of instructions - the
> > 2 paragraphs at the end - scare me. I hate having to guess what anyone 
> > means.
> >
> > lightning pam.d # qfile -o /etc/pam.d/*
> > /etc/pam.d/gdmconfig
> > /etc/pam.d/xdm
> > lightning pam.d #
> >
>
> I was having the same problems earlier in the week.  The solution is
> actually pretty simple.  The output above indicates that xdm and
> gdmconfig aren't being used any longer - they're orphans.  I just moved
> the files elsewhere (for temporary safe-keeping), and upgraded PAM, and
> there were no issues.  All the files that used the obsolete functions
> were upgraded some time ago apparently - but if you have a system that
> has been upgraded year-after-year apparently there are orphan files that
> date WAY back...
>
> However, I agree that PAM is one of those things that everybody depends
> on but otherwise seems to behave like black magic for most people.  I've
> yet to see a guide on PAM that actually makes it easy to understand.
> (There are TONS of guides that ATTEMPT to make it easy to understand,
> but every one I've seen falls far short).  I considered it a major
> accomplishment when I was able to hack my sshd PAM config to restrict
> logins to a list of particular accounts...

Richard,
   Thanks for the response. I would have NEVER guessed that this qfile
command was telling me the files that are no longer needed. I should
have read the man page on that.

   Now, was the intent of this Wiki to tell me what didn't need
editing or what did? Seems very strange to me to point out files I
don't need anymore but leave the impression I do.

   Anyway, the machine is working and I apprecaite your help.

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Problems with pam-0.99 upgrade

2007-11-04 Thread Richard Freeman
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Mark Knecht wrote:
> OK, knowing as you all do that I'm a non-admin sort of person these
> sort of instructions - the
> 2 paragraphs at the end - scare me. I hate having to guess what anyone means.
> 
> lightning pam.d # qfile -o /etc/pam.d/*
> /etc/pam.d/gdmconfig
> /etc/pam.d/xdm
> lightning pam.d #
> 

I was having the same problems earlier in the week.  The solution is
actually pretty simple.  The output above indicates that xdm and
gdmconfig aren't being used any longer - they're orphans.  I just moved
the files elsewhere (for temporary safe-keeping), and upgraded PAM, and
there were no issues.  All the files that used the obsolete functions
were upgraded some time ago apparently - but if you have a system that
has been upgraded year-after-year apparently there are orphan files that
date WAY back...

However, I agree that PAM is one of those things that everybody depends
on but otherwise seems to behave like black magic for most people.  I've
yet to see a guide on PAM that actually makes it easy to understand.
(There are TONS of guides that ATTEMPT to make it easy to understand,
but every one I've seen falls far short).  I considered it a major
accomplishment when I was able to hack my sshd PAM config to restrict
logins to a list of particular accounts...
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