Re: [gentoo-dev] USE=pic reminder

[Kevin F. Quinn]

Mike Frysinger wrote:

> as a reminder, NEVER utilize USE=pic in your package unless you know 
> exactly what it's for and you're sure you need it

I figured this use flag should be used to ensure libraries are built as PIC 
(i.e. conform to the relevant ABI).  This is a common problem on the media 
packages for example which often have non-PIC x86 assembler (sometimes these 
are bugs, other times it's deliberate to get every ounce of performance).  I've 
been mooting the use of 'use pic' to decide configure options and conditionally 
apply patches (where the latter would reduce performance).  This was my reading 
of the description in use.desc.  However it has been indicated to me recently 
that USE=pic shouldn't be used for this.

If the latter is correct, perhaps the description of the use flag could be 
improved.

On a related note, USE=pie could be clarified as well (relocated to 
use.local.desc against sys-lang/gcc perhaps).

As a general comment, I think clear use flag descriptions in *.desc are 
preferable to rules buried somewhere in the morass of developer documentation.
I searched briefly for policy rules on USE=pic but didn't find any.  "briefly" 
is the key word here; I'm not about to spend hours reading the aforementioned 
morass every time I want to know whether I'm using the right USE keyword or 
not; I expect to find clear answers in use*.desc.

Kev.



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[gentoo-dev] New Dev: Diego Pettenò (Flameeyes)

[Jochen Maes]

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Blue all,



Please welcome Flameeyes, Diego Pettenò, from italy to the team.
He's been a busy boy in the linux world so i'll let him talk for
himself here:

"I'm a KDE (extragear) devel so I know how to handle KDE-related
stuff such as installation paths and so on.
I'm also interested in fd.o standards such as location of icons
and desktop files, and for this I submitted many bugs on gentoo's
bugzilla in the last months.
I also wrote some articles on free software (in italian).
I also wrote some libraries to share code between some of
my projects, mainly involved in network stuff, tftp and snmp
over all.

One of the most used project I worked on was the lirc for
kernel 2.6 patchset, also if it was deprecated a lot of time
ago and now is no more usable.

I also contributed to some misc libraries (threading, xml
parsing and networking) from Giancarlo Niccolai, as I was
using them for an ultima online emulator project.

I was born and I'm living in Italy, in a land of nowhere near
(or not so near) Venice, with my parents and my cats.
I'm an university student at computer scienze department, and
my hobbies, other than computers, are books (mainly fantasy,
my favourite is Soulforge by Margaret Weis) and japanese anime
(I'm a Neon Genesis Evangelion addicted ;) ).
I take some temporary jobs to pay bills (and hardware :) )
but my "dream" is to find a place to work as a sysadmin
(maybe using gentoo linux).
When I'm not programming, reading or studying, I'm probably
involved in a bricolage of some kind here at home: the only
other thing which makes me feel well as my keyboard is my
electric screwdriver."


please welcome him to the team!

Jochen

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Gentoo Linux   
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[gentoo-dev] New Dev Vibhav Garg (vgarg)

[Jochen Maes]

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Last week i've added vgarg to the Java team, He's from india but lives
in the US. (bad choice imho :-) ).

He's a yoga-meditating Java monkey what seems to me an excellent mix.
I'm sure some off u guys/gals will suck this up by stating that Java
sucks...
WELL YOU ARE WRONG!

He's been quite busy with J2EE and has 5 year consultancy track in
that technology.


Please welcome him as usual


Jochen

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Gentoo Linux   
http://dev.gentoo.org/~sejo/
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[gentoo-dev] Portage management change

[Marius Mauch]

Hi everybody,

As some of you may already know Nicholas Jones (carpaski), the portage
lead till now, stepped down of that job recently for various reasons.
This mail is intended to let people know how things will be handled in
the future in portage-land.

First, there will be no single replacement for the position of the
portage lead. Instead there will be a group of three developers (myself,
Jason Stubbs and Brian Harring) who will manage the portage project
together. As for the voting in manager meetings, I'll act as the human
relay for any consensus reached between us.
Even with this change in management the developement will continue and
focus on the release of a new major version of portage.

Meanwhile, we'd like to thank Nick for his contributions and wish him
good luck with life and the door is always open for coming back in the
future.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Video4Linux and linux headers

[Mike Frysinger]

On Sunday 17 April 2005 08:07 pm, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> Now what? I'm going to ask here what to do with this. I think the right way
> should be adding v4l to base/use.mask and then -v4l on
> default-linux/use.mask, as it's strictly-linux thing.

this probably falls along side the USE refactoring someone else suggested 
where we use.mask everything in base/use.mask that is arch-specific and only 
unmask in appropriate profiles
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Video4Linux and linux headers

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

Hi,
I don't remember why I started looking at avifile this night, but while I was 
at it, I found something which uncovers a bit of troubles with v4l useflag.

Summarizing:

v4l useflag enables Video4Linux support (usually webcams and tv cards) on many 
multimedia softwares (like avifile, but not only).
As v4l is related to kernel, it needs kernel's headers to be used by software 
(usually linux/videodev.h file).
V4L is not avaiable on non-linux systems.

Now, I was trying to add dependency on headers if v4l was used, but adding a 
simple v4l? ( sys-kernel/linux-headers ) doesn't work as mips uses 
mips-headers.
I'm not sure to use virtual/os-headers as it targets also non-linux headers.

But then joem and geoman pointed out that v4l should only be used on linux, so 
it should be usemasked on other arches.

Now what? I'm going to ask here what to do with this. I think the right way 
should be adding v4l to base/use.mask and then -v4l on 
default-linux/use.mask, as it's strictly-linux thing.

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http://dev.gentoo.org/~flameeyes/


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[gentoo-dev] xchat-xsys 1.9.3 unmasked

[Tony Vroon]

Okay, thanks to testing the patch has been improved to a point where it
works for everyone, on integrated video, PCI and AGP cards. It is now
unmasked.
~x86 and ~amd64 can have fun with this.

Could the early adopters please make sure they remerge the package so
they have the latest patch.

Thanks,
Tony (Chainsaw).


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatically replace -mtune= with -mcpu= if not supported by gcc?!

[Alec Warner]

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Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Sunday 17 April 2005 09:50 am, Philipp Hasse wrote:
> 
>>This way it can be used to set the -mcpu and -mtune flags correctly.
> 
> 
> not worth the added crap imho
> -mike

Better to have it fail and have the users fix their build-env themselves.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatically replace -mtune= with -mcpu= if not supported by gcc?!

[Mike Frysinger]

On Sunday 17 April 2005 09:50 am, Philipp Hasse wrote:
> This way it can be used to set the -mcpu and -mtune flags correctly.

not worth the added crap imho
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 & ~amd64 (patch updated)

[Tony Vroon]

On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 12:33 +0100, Tony Vroon wrote:
> The code in question has been replaced with a sysfs tree-walker that
> should find the AGP video card in any system. If anyone out there has a
> PCI-Express adapter, I'd like to know if this code finds it or not.

Alright, I found the regression in my own testing and on one enduser
system, both nVidia. Faulty logic in the pci.ids parser, which has now
been rewritten.

Could the testers please update CVS, or if they are on regular rsync,
wait one more hour then resync. If xchat-xsys is remerged, the code
should give correct output for nVidia users as well.

Thanks for testing so far :)
Tony.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Herbie Hopkins (Herbs)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:18:46 +
Alex Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You German developers ... Someone has to stop you, and that project
> falls to the British! :D

Oh no, not again!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 & ~amd64

[Olivier Crête]

Works here without problem

On Sun, 2005-17-04 at 12:33 +0100, Tony Vroon wrote:
> Could any xchat-xsys users that are not afraid of using an experimental
> patch unmask version 1.9.3 with /etc/portage/package.unmask and see if
> the /video output gives you the right information.
> If I get 10 reports that it works, I'll unmask it and unleash it on ~x86
> and ~amd64.
> (Any other arches will most probably miss out on some CPU-related
> information, tell me if at least /video works, and I'll try to get it
> supported fully).
> 
> What the patch does is getting rid of the lspci dependency. Upstream
> reports that it can cause stale processes that will not disappear until
> X-Chat is closed.
> The code in question has been replaced with a sysfs tree-walker that
> should find the AGP video card in any system. If anyone out there has a
> PCI-Express adapter, I'd like to know if this code finds it or not.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony (Chainsaw).
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 & ~amd64

[Homer Parker]

On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 12:33 +0100, Tony Vroon wrote:
> Could any xchat-xsys users that are not afraid of using an experimental
> patch unmask version 1.9.3 with /etc/portage/package.unmask and see if
> the /video output gives you the right information.
> If I get 10 reports that it works, I'll unmask it and unleash it on ~x86
> and ~amd64.

Works ok here.. 

cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ @ 798MHz w/ 1024 KB L2 Cache]
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux 2.6.11-gentoo-r3 x86_64]
snd_card[0: ICH - SiS SI7012]
uname[Linux laptop 2.6.11-gentoo-r3 #1 Sun Apr 3 21:39:47 CDT 2005
x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux]
vid_card[ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] @
1280x800x24bpp]

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Re: [gentoo-dev] reply-to munging

[D. Wokan]

Jason Wever wrote:
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emails should be reserved only for when you explicitly do not want to
send to the list and only to the original email's author.

And just how many mail clients support reply-to-list (which in and of 
itself doesn't have well defined standards and is not adhered to in 
any specific way by the myriads of mailing list software packages out 
there)? Not very many last I checked.

Best for now to deal with whether you want Reply-To to be altered or 
use Reply-To all.

Cheers,
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Is there an extension for Thunderbird to add a reply-to-list function?  
For the record, I clicked reply instead of RTA out of habit.  I guess I 
just came to expect reply to go back to the intended audience (the list 
in this case).  Similar to (most) business users expecting replies to be 
at the top of the email instead of the bottom.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo as a development platform

[Malte S. Stretz]

On Sunday 17 April 2005 03:03 CET Daniel Drake wrote:
> Robert Paskowitz wrote:
>[...]
> > Having portage take your own tree from a particular user's
> > home directory on the other hand seems like a bit of a stretch, and no
> > necessarily all that useful.
>
> I would find this useful, but perhaps the things I'm thinking of are just
> suited to my style of working rather than a general development scenario.

I don't think so;  from time to time when I hacked on KDE or SpamAssassin, I 
thought a feature like the ones you described (ie. treat the ebuilds as 
mere recipes to build some codebase) would be very cool.

Cheers,
Malte

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[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Herbie Hopkins (Herbs)

[Duncan]

Jeffrey Forman posted
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, 
on Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:26:45 -0400:

> On Sat, 2005-04-16 at 16:17 +0100, Tom Martin wrote:
>> Herbie is proficient in C and Bash, and has made a number of patches for
>> various projects already. He's from Essex, England, and he's finishing
>> his Ph.D at the Royal Holloway in Maths/Cryptography at the age of 27.
>> He takes an interest in mountain biking and snowboarding, and is
>> obviously very knowledgeable in cryptography and security.
>> 
>> Everyone please welcome Herbie to the team.
>> 
> People with math degrees unite!

This is likely old to you guys, but I liked it, enough to still get a
chuckle out of it when I think about it. I saw the following as a sig,
maybe here on this list?

"Mathematicians against Drunken Deriving,
Please don't Drink and Derive!"

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[gentoo-dev] Automatically replace -mtune= with -mcpu= if not supported by gcc?!

[Philipp Hasse]

Hi,

I recently noticed that portage executes the file bashrc located in
/etc/portage before every ebuild.
This way it can be used to set the -mcpu and -mtune flags correctly.
If you add the following to this file everything goes automatically:

<--- SNIP --->
# Automatically replace -mtune= with -mcpu if not supported by gcc
# and vice versa.
echo "" | gcc -mtune=i386 -E - > /dev/null 2> /dev/null
if [ $? == 0 ]; then
export CFLAGS=`echo $CFLAGS | /bin/sed 's/-mcpu=/-mtune=/'`
export CXXFLAGS=`echo $CXXFLAGS | /bin/sed 's/-mcpu=/-mtune=/'`
else
export CFLAGS=`echo $CFLAGS | /bin/sed 's/-mtune=/-mcpu=/'`
export CXXFLAGS=`echo $CXXFLAGS | /bin/sed 's/-mtune=/-mcpu=/'`
fi
<--- SNIP --->

Maybe someone can give me a feedback if this is good idea or if I missed
something for some exotic situation this will fail.

Why doesn't portage do this automatically by itself? If it encounters an
-mtuneÂ= option in make.conf and gcc doesn't support it it replaces it
with -mcpu=?!

Regards
Philipp Hasse

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[gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 & ~amd64

[Tony Vroon]

Could any xchat-xsys users that are not afraid of using an experimental
patch unmask version 1.9.3 with /etc/portage/package.unmask and see if
the /video output gives you the right information.
If I get 10 reports that it works, I'll unmask it and unleash it on ~x86
and ~amd64.
(Any other arches will most probably miss out on some CPU-related
information, tell me if at least /video works, and I'll try to get it
supported fully).

What the patch does is getting rid of the lspci dependency. Upstream
reports that it can cause stale processes that will not disappear until
X-Chat is closed.
The code in question has been replaced with a sysfs tree-walker that
should find the AGP video card in any system. If anyone out there has a
PCI-Express adapter, I'd like to know if this code finds it or not.

Thanks,
Tony (Chainsaw).


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