Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting Project Dolphin
Hi! On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, kashani wrote: As some modern server machines doesn't ship with a cd/dvd-rom drive per default also providing an usb-stick image (fitting on 128MB sticks?) makes sense and would help a lot :) In these days of $40 USD one gig USB drives I see the CD as the size limiting factor. :-) I have a whole load of machines that can't boot off of usbstorage and for USB1.1, a CD-ROM is orders of magnitude faster. Regards, Tobias -- You don't need eyes to see, you need vision. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking the missing dates that past and present developers joined Gentoo.
Maurice van der Pot wrote: On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 05:42:59AM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: I added ~100 joined dates thus far, however the archives (esp. for -core) that I have access to are not complete, and don't go back nearly as far as the depths of Gentoo history, Have you considered using the recruiters bugs in bugzilla? For me at least the date it was closed is the closest date I can come up with. Many people in that list were members before bugzilla was used for recruiting (and before we had a recruiters team). Some of the people even retired before that. Paul -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
is evdev (for 7.1) stable now? and by stable I mean can I use it without it crashing xorg? I should probably test this because I don't recall it getting updated which means it is still broken. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 07:37 -0400, Caleb Cushing wrote: is evdev (for 7.1) stable now? and by stable I mean can I use it without it crashing xorg? I should probably test this because I don't recall it getting updated which means it is still broken. I was running evdev under Xorg 7.0 and 7.1 for my mouse without problems. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:16:06 -0700 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss the part that says package.use allows arbitrary tokens rather than just CP? If so, my bad. Every implementation of it that I've seen allows an arbitrary dep atom. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
On Mon, 2006-16-10 at 07:37 -0400, Caleb Cushing wrote: is evdev (for 7.1) stable now? and by stable I mean can I use it without it crashing xorg? I should probably test this because I don't recall it getting updated which means it is still broken. It works if you use it the way they intend it to use it. Read the man page. Otherwise yea it will crash. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:28 -0600, Joshua Baergen wrote: I also add that many, many bugs were fixed. To run Compiz using AIGLX, xorg-server must be build with the aiglx USE-flag. This is known to cause some EXA slowdowns (bug #147841). Just as an aside, this isn't needed for NVIDIA folks. All you need is the masked beta (9625) nvidia-drivers, a couple settings in xorg.conf (the drivers ebuild tells you what), then running compiz-nvidia. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting Project Dolphin
On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 00:04 +0200, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: On Saturday 14 October 2006 23:33, Roy Bamford wrote: Evaluate the operating media. Should it be a CD, DVD, or USB A DVD+/-RW or USB would provide space for recovered data, if required. Currently the project is in the same state as it was months ago: an ISO-Image with a maximum capacity of 650 Megabytes (cheap with a fair ammount of space). Since it's loop-compressed via squashfs, the nominal size should be around 850 - 900MB (minus non-compressed contents). As some modern server machines doesn't ship with a cd/dvd-rom drive per default also providing an usb-stick image (fitting on 128MB sticks?) makes sense and would help a lot :) Well, any CD image built with genkernel 3.4.2 or better will work on a USB stick (there was a bug in 3.4.1/2006.1 that caused them not to work) with minimal fuss (syslinux over isolinux). -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)
On Saturday 14 October 2006 12:12, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), our latest addition joining to help out with desktop-misc and the commonbox-herd. some stuff So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! BURGER KING -- Chris White Gentoo Developer aka: xx (Scissors Were Here) xx pgp1WVw5nn9fT.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh napsal(a): Err... clean up after yourself... and if person to have made the mess is not capable of cleaning up? Please, don't top-post, it's very annoying... I guess pretty much everyone is capable of reverting his changes to original state at least? :P -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:10:32 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh napsal(a): Err... clean up after yourself... and if person to have made the mess is not capable of cleaning up? Please, don't top-post, it's very annoying... I guess pretty much everyone is capable of reverting his changes to original state at least? :P -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Sorry, not my fault, the behaviour is retarded, period, fix it or live with people replying off-list because they've lost track of which list did the mail come from. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 20:05, Marius Mauch wrote: a) don't do anything and assume that everyone is already on bash-3. Not exactly nice but pragmatic. if they arent, then they're running wicked old baselayout which means their system is horribly outdated anyways ... to be honest, i want to say last time i tried to use a system with bash-2, existing code in portage fell apart (eclasses/baselayout/etc...) adding bash-3 to the base requirements is simple enough ... everything else suggested is just overkill -mike Here's a little migration note for anyone who gets stuck on bash-2. Figured we could stick it into the FAQ and a GWN, then make this change. Thanks, Donnie How to update from bash-2 when all the ebuilds on your system use bash-3 -- Download a stage1 from any mirror. It's roughly 25Mb. mkdir stage1 cd stage1 tar jxvfp /path/to/stage1-tarball.tar.bz2 mkdir usr/portage mount -o bind /usr/portage usr/portage chroot . /bin/bash quickpkg bash exit cp usr/portage/packages/All/name-of-bash-tarball.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages/All/ emerge -Ka bash signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Which behaviour is this? All the gentoo mailing lists seem fine to me... On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:52:12 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Sorry, not my fault, the behaviour is retarded, period, fix it or live with people replying off-list because they've lost track of which list did the mail come from. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Which behaviour is this? All the gentoo mailing lists seem fine to me... The behaviour that _all_ other mailing lists get replies to the list by default when you hit Reply, just the _one_ needs to be special. It's been mentioned over and over again, and never been fixed... I don't care any more, if the reply does wrong way, complain to infra/mailing lists admin. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? Sorry, not my fault, the behaviour is retarded, period, fix it or live with people replying off-list because they've lost track of which list did the mail come from. I would agree that the behavior in question is retarded, but somehow I don't think that the server is the retarded party. -- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. -- Douglas Adams -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:31:32 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Which behaviour is this? All the gentoo mailing lists seem fine to me... The behaviour that _all_ other mailing lists get replies to the list by default when you hit Reply, just the _one_ needs to be special. It's been mentioned over and over again, and never been fixed... I don't care any more, if the reply does wrong way, complain to infra/mailing lists admin. Fix your mail client, and don't lay the blame on infra. I never did a misplaced reply with mine. Regards, -- Andrej Ticho Kacian ticho at gentoo dot org Gentoo Linux Developer - net-mail, antivirus, sound, x86 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Andrej Kacian napsal(a): Fix your mail client, and don't lay the blame on infra. I never did a misplaced reply with mine. I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list, ktnxbye, don't have time for such nonsense. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Jakub Moc wrote: Andrej Kacian napsal(a): Fix your mail client, and don't lay the blame on infra. I never did a misplaced reply with mine. I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list, ktnxbye, don't have time for such nonsense. Why don't you use Reply All or Reply to List, like everyone else? Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Why don't you use Reply All or Reply to List, like everyone else? Well, if the mailing list sent a proper Reply-To header in its messages, we wouldn't really be having this thread, right? :) -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) Gentoo Forums Global Moderator GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xFFC19479 / Fingerprint: DD68 A414 56BD 6368 D957 9666 4268 CB7A FFC1 9479 My Blog: http://thecodergeek.com/blog/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Donnie Berkholz napsal(a): Jakub Moc wrote: I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list, ktnxbye, don't have time for such nonsense. Why don't you use Reply All or Reply to List, like everyone else? Yes, that's a wonderful and popular workaround that makes me recieve half of the replies on that list multiple times, because I'm apparently not the only only having the problem with the stupid behaviour. Wouldn't it make sense to finally fix it instead of wasting bandwidth and pissing off developers for no apparent reason? TIA. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Or better yet, get the hint that someone was making fun of you for bitching about someone else's top posting when you replied to the wrong list. --Iggy On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jakub Moc wrote: Andrej Kacian napsal(a): Fix your mail client, and don't lay the blame on infra. I never did a misplaced reply with mine. I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list, ktnxbye, don't have time for such nonsense. Why don't you use Reply All or Reply to List, like everyone else? Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:40:59 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the profile level, I've added support for package.use which behaves like /etc/portage/package.use that everyone is familiar with. In a discussion about bug 151586 we realized that there might be an issue with profile package.use. With the current stacking order package.use in a profile will always override all make.defaults, independent of the profiles they come from. In particular a parent package.use can override a childs make.defaults USE. This doesn't exactly match the existing profile semantics. Changing this however isn't trivial and would mean that in the USE stack both files are treated as a single unit. Marius -- Public Key at http://www.genone.de/info/gpg-key.pub In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
unsubscribe On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 09:35:08PM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Donnie Berkholz napsal(a): Jakub Moc wrote: I don't see what's there to fix, already told that the behaviour is damned inconsistent with all other mailing lists. Fix the mailing list, ktnxbye, don't have time for such nonsense. Why don't you use Reply All or Reply to List, like everyone else? Yes, that's a wonderful and popular workaround that makes me recieve half of the replies on that list multiple times, because I'm apparently not the only only having the problem with the stupid behaviour. Wouldn't it make sense to finally fix it instead of wasting bandwidth and pissing off developers for no apparent reason? TIA. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) Wheee, if you managed to scroll down so far, you found the irony. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org pgpFGsiWZfD5C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:17:00AM -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? This list sets Reply-to to direct replies to the list. gentoo-core doesn't. People who just hit the Reply button in their mail clients end up replying to the author, rather than to the list. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Mauch wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:40:59 -0700 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the profile level, I've added support for package.use which behaves like /etc/portage/package.use that everyone is familiar with. In a discussion about bug 151586 we realized that there might be an issue with profile package.use. With the current stacking order package.use in a profile will always override all make.defaults, independent of the profiles they come from. In particular a parent package.use can override a childs make.defaults USE. This doesn't exactly match the existing profile semantics. Changing this however isn't trivial and would mean that in the USE stack both files are treated as a single unit. That's a good point. I'll work on a patch to collapse make.defaults USE and package.use together at each level of the stacking process (and do the same for use.mask/package.use.mask). That means that USE_ORDER will be env:pkg:conf:defaults:pkginternal, where the previous pkgprofile part has been merged with defaults. Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFM+Xm/ejvha5XGaMRAllYAKDhyzqRwp5oSIO087+3cKYF4+6THgCdFZHk 6hEO7OJZYRutlb3luqPxyao= =v/PQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
Chris Gianelloni skrev: On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:28 -0600, Joshua Baergen wrote: I also add that many, many bugs were fixed. To run Compiz using AIGLX, xorg-server must be build with the aiglx USE-flag. This is known to cause some EXA slowdowns (bug #147841). Just as an aside, this isn't needed for NVIDIA folks. All you need is the masked beta (9625) nvidia-drivers, a couple settings in xorg.conf (the drivers ebuild tells you what), then running compiz-nvidia. Are you sure? Nvidia + compiz requires aiglx too (If you don´t run it on xgl of course). But perhaps the patches isn´t needed to enable it? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 22:16 +0200, Simon Strandman wrote: Chris Gianelloni skrev: On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 17:28 -0600, Joshua Baergen wrote: I also add that many, many bugs were fixed. To run Compiz using AIGLX, xorg-server must be build with the aiglx USE-flag. This is known to cause some EXA slowdowns (bug #147841). Just as an aside, this isn't needed for NVIDIA folks. All you need is the masked beta (9625) nvidia-drivers, a couple settings in xorg.conf (the drivers ebuild tells you what), then running compiz-nvidia. Are you sure? Nvidia + compiz requires aiglx too (If you don´t run it on xgl of course). But perhaps the patches isn´t needed to enable it? I'm positive. Also, NVIDIA doesn't require AIGLX to run compiz. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77030 Before running compiz for the first time, you should configure it to your tastes. Again, there are several sites that cover configuring compiz and its various plugins, so I will not cover that here. Note: an exception is direct vs. indirect rendering: when using the NVIDIA graphics driver, you do not need to use the --indirect-rendering option; it limits the number of extensions exposed by the driver, disabling some plugins (e.g. water). -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:10:37 +0200 Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? This list sets Reply-to to direct replies to the list. gentoo-core doesn't. People who just hit the Reply button in their mail clients end up replying to the author, rather than to the list. Of course, a well-behaving MUA could just use the address in List-Post header, as that's why the header is there. Regards, -- Andrej Ticho Kacian ticho at gentoo dot org Gentoo Linux Developer - net-mail, antivirus, sound, x86 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
This thread is weird, here's a picture of a giraffe: http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/10d-1/giraffe-closeup.jpg enjoy -- Chris White Gentoo Developer aka: xx (Scissors Were Here) xx pgpKkOr9KETz4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
maillog: 16/10/2006-18:31:32(+0200): Jakub Moc types Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Which behaviour is this? All the gentoo mailing lists seem fine to me... The behaviour that _all_ other mailing lists get replies to the list by This is not an argument. Here are some real arguments ;) http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html default when you hit Reply, just the _one_ needs to be special. It's been mentioned over and over again, and never been fixed... I don't care any more, if the reply does wrong way, complain to infra/mailing lists admin. -- \Georgi Georgiev \ In Devon, Connecticut, it is unlawful to \ / [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ walk backwards after sunset. / \ http://www.gg3.net/ \ \ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Georgi Georgiev napsal(a): This is not an argument. Here are some real arguments ;) http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I don't give a damn, make the behaviour consistent across all Gentoo mailing lists. (And in the unfortunate case you pick up the -core behaviour by chance, I guarantee you that you'll have these weird giraffe threads here couple of times every month). -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 11:10:57PM +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:10:37 +0200 Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? This list sets Reply-to to direct replies to the list. gentoo-core doesn't. People who just hit the Reply button in their mail clients end up replying to the author, rather than to the list. Of course, a well-behaving MUA could just use the address in List-Post header, as that's why the header is there. To clarify (if you disagree, please say so): It's meant to be used when the user chooses to reply to the list. That is not necessarily the function of the Reply button. In mutt, and IIRC in Thunderbird as well, reply is intended to mean reply to author, and there is a separate reply to list function which works on gentoo-core and gentoo-dev just the same. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
What's so hard about paying attention when replying? Surely you spend enough time thinking about your reply that an extra second to hit the right button is irrelevant... On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:27:16 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Georgi Georgiev napsal(a): | This is not an argument. Here are some real arguments ;) | http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html | | I don't give a damn, make the behaviour consistent across all Gentoo | mailing lists. (And in the unfortunate case you pick up the -core | behaviour by chance, I guarantee you that you'll have these weird | giraffe threads here couple of times every month). -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ as-needed is broken : http://ciaranm.org/show_post.pl?post_id=13 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): What's so hard about paying attention when replying? What's so hard about making the behaviour consistent? -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Beryl maintainer needed
Hi, As you may know, beryl is a fork of the famous window- and composite-manager compiz (beryl formerly was named compiz-quinnstorm). I'm maintaining the compiz package and at first thought I'd also take beryl, but I'd prefer if someone else could take it. My personal opinion is that I don't really see the point of this fork, but there are many users out there that seem to like it. There are already testing-ebuilds of beryl in the coffee-overlay (www.xgl-coffee.org). There's a guy with the nick nesl247, who regularly hangs out in #gentoo-xgl on freenode that wrote those ebuilds. If any Gentoo dev wants to take care of beryl, please take bug 150033. You should review those ebuilds in the coffee-overlay together with nesl and then add them to portage. cu, Hanno ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Hanno Böck Blog: http://www.hboeck.de/ GPG: 3DBD3B20 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpSL9DlEPm0E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Harald van Dijk napsal(a): It's meant to be used when the user chooses to reply to the list. That is not necessarily the function of the Reply button. In mutt, and IIRC in Thunderbird as well, reply is intended to mean reply to author, and there is a separate reply to list function which works on gentoo-core and gentoo-dev just the same. Well, there's no reply to list function in Thunderbird [1], and there's no such function in a couple more clients. And it's pretty annoying when people use reply to all instead because their client doesn't have such feature. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG signature: http://subkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCEBA3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
What, you're saying you're not subscribed to any non-Gentoo lists? On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:49:10 +0200 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh napsal(a): | What's so hard about paying attention when replying? | | What's so hard about making the behaviour consistent? -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at ciaranm.org Web : http://ciaranm.org/ as-needed is broken : http://ciaranm.org/show_post.pl?post_id=13 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 11:57:55PM +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: Harald van Dijk napsal(a): It's meant to be used when the user chooses to reply to the list. That is not necessarily the function of the Reply button. In mutt, and IIRC in Thunderbird as well, reply is intended to mean reply to author, and there is a separate reply to list function which works on gentoo-core and gentoo-dev just the same. Well, there's no reply to list function in Thunderbird [1], and there's no such function in a couple more clients. Sorry, my memory must be failing me. Pretend I didn't mention Thunderbird as a second example, then. :-) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Beryl maintainer needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hanno Böck wrote: Hi, As you may know, beryl is a fork of the famous window- and composite-manager compiz (beryl formerly was named compiz-quinnstorm). I'm maintaining the compiz package and at first thought I'd also take beryl, but I'd prefer if someone else could take it. My personal opinion is that I don't really see the point of this fork, but there are many users out there that seem to like it. There are already testing-ebuilds of beryl in the coffee-overlay (www.xgl-coffee.org). There's a guy with the nick nesl247, who regularly hangs out in #gentoo-xgl on freenode that wrote those ebuilds. If any Gentoo dev wants to take care of beryl, please take bug 150033. You should review those ebuilds in the coffee-overlay together with nesl and then add them to portage. cu, Hanno ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I can think of one reason...it doesn't depend on a ton of gnome stuff ^.^;; -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFNAXiSENan+PfizARAhsoAJsHyrTSznDFI0iFWs4HpKL4yjRKAwCfYKyE V1MtT7JJxndMIfh9xHKWSOk= =rCa9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Jakub Moc wrote: Harald van Dijk napsal(a): It's meant to be used when the user chooses to reply to the list. That is not necessarily the function of the Reply button. In mutt, and IIRC in Thunderbird as well, reply is intended to mean reply to author, and there is a separate reply to list function which works on gentoo-core and gentoo-dev just the same. Well, there's no reply to list function in Thunderbird [1], and there's no such function in a couple more clients. And it's pretty annoying when people use reply to all instead because their client doesn't have such feature. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 We are all responsible adults here. In the real world you don't always get your way and sometimes you have to deal with minor issues like: your mail client doesn't reply automatically to the correct people or you are forced into using MS Exchange with no SSL-IMAP. It's a glitch; it's annoying; PEOPLE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY. So seriously, chill a bit man; check before you send mail. Sometimes you screw up, so does everyone else. There is no reason to have a long silly thread about it. In short, drop it or take it elsewhere. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] last rites for sys-devel/odinmp
Hi, I haven't updated it in years and no one has noticed. I guess no one uses it. And I don't use it anymore either. Bug #67273 has been there for a long time. It is p.masked and will be removed on Nov 16 2006. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)
Chris White wrote: On Saturday 14 October 2006 12:12, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), our latest addition joining to help out with desktop-misc and the commonbox-herd. some stuff So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! BURGER KING YES Thanks for the welcoming messages, everyone. :) -- David Shakaryan GnuPG Public Key: 0x4B8FE14B signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
Harald van D??k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:17:00AM -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? This list sets Reply-to to direct replies to the list. gentoo-core doesn't. People who just hit the Reply button in their mail clients end up replying to the author, rather than to the list. Thank you, that does answer my question, but I'm still confused. I doubt that gentoo-dev sent the email to which jakub replied. How, then, did he manage to reply to gentoo-dev? -- The road to Heck is paved with mediocre intentions. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting number of parallel builds for other build-systems than 'make'
On Sunday 01 October 2006 15:27, Brian Harring wrote: I might be daft (likely), but why not just introduce a var indicating max parallelization instead? seems like the best thing to me ... then in things like GNOME packages, they can force the jobs to 1 rather than having to mung MAKEOPTS ... i'd put the munging into the wrapper binaries ... so have `emake` parse the variable rather than screwing with MAKEOPTS in portage or profiles -mike pgp62WUEQfoQU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?
Hi. Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 20:05, Marius Mauch wrote: a) don't do anything and assume that everyone is already on bash-3. Not exactly nice but pragmatic. if they arent, then they're running wicked old baselayout which means their system is horribly outdated anyways ... to be honest, i want to say last time i tried to use a system with bash-2, existing code in portage fell apart (eclasses/baselayout/etc...) adding bash-3 to the base requirements is simple enough ... everything else suggested is just overkill -mike Here's a little migration note for anyone who gets stuck on bash-2. Figured we could stick it into the FAQ and a GWN, then make this change. Thanks, Donnie How to update from bash-2 when all the ebuilds on your system use bash-3 -- Download a stage1 from any mirror. It's roughly 25Mb. mkdir stage1 cd stage1 tar jxvfp /path/to/stage1-tarball.tar.bz2 mkdir usr/portage mount -o bind /usr/portage usr/portage chroot . /bin/bash quickpkg bash exit cp usr/portage/packages/All/name-of-bash-tarball.tbz2 /usr/portage/packages/All/ emerge -Ka bash If you want to, we can also add this to the forums FAQ. Jorge. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Developer retirement
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 05:45:54PM -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Harald van D??k [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:17:00AM -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bennett napsal(a): Please, try to stay on the right mailing list. It's very annoying when you don't... No matter how hard I try, I always hit the _retarded_ behaviour of the _one_ mailing just that just _has_ to be special for _no_ apparent reason at all. Can anybody explain how that one list is different from the others? Are the headers being munged differently for gentoo-core? This list sets Reply-to to direct replies to the list. gentoo-core doesn't. People who just hit the Reply button in their mail clients end up replying to the author, rather than to the list. Thank you, that does answer my question, but I'm still confused. I doubt that gentoo-dev sent the email to which jakub replied. How, then, did he manage to reply to gentoo-dev? I imagine he hit the Reply button, and when adding the list address manually, simply picked the wrong list by mistake. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
