Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard wrote: Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Just as Marius already said, I usually also don't participate in the goodbye and thanks for all the fish-threads - but this one is kinda special. Bryan is one of the few non-German Gentoo Developers I met several times and we had much fun every time - at least this was my impression. I was already looking forward for meeting you again at the UK Meeting in July ... so ... yeah ... I'm really sad to see you go :( For whatever you're doing next I'd wish you as much luck and fun as I can. Thanks for your contributions and being an important part of Gentoo in the past few years! Tobias signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Hi Bryan, On Thursday 31 May 2007 03:35, Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Thanks for all the work you've done for Gentoo, I know it's not always been fun. Good luck with your future projects and please do keep us posted somehow :-). -- Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen (Jaervosz) pgpix8gA2CDNX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new bugzilla resolution: NEEDPATCH
On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:44:08 -0700 Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows a number of (enhancement) bugs that are fixable, but the assignee doesn't have the motivation to come up with a solution, but would look at and eventually I think a keyword might be more useful, as at least with my bugs, I'd like to keep them open myself - if the user doesn't provide a patch, it's still something that I'd get around to doing eventually. I specifically want my bugs to stay open, and be easily visible as to why I've kept them open. I can agree with keyword but closing them because of lacking motivation or skills isn't justified.. Problem doesn't go away by making them invisible. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 03:35 +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard I'm going to punch you in the ribs really hard if I ever meet you. I count on a few people in this project and you are one of them. I'm really disappointed you are rolling out on us without no for warning. I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. None the less. I wish you the best in your future endeavors. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Deskzilla for Gentoo
El mar, 29-05-2007 a las 16:01 +0100, Steve Long escribió: Just to say thanks to the java devs for getting 1.4_beta in the tree so promptly, and to let you all know that it works fine now and is an excellent interface to bugs.g.o. I especially like how you can use saved queries from your acct, and the attachment handling (but then i'm just a usr ;) dev-util/deskzilla deskzilla is totally free for gentoo devs? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how bad it is... -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I'm sad to see you go :( You've helped me a lot (in fact very, very much) to be a good developer. Maybe it's possible for you to take a few weeks off instead of permanently leaving Gentoo? Just like Luis suggested? -- Krzysiek Pawlik nelchael at gentoo.org key id: 0xBC51 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, x86, java, apache, ppc... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Deskzilla for Gentoo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 josé Alberto Suárez López wrote: El mar, 29-05-2007 a las 16:01 +0100, Steve Long escribió: Just to say thanks to the java devs for getting 1.4_beta in the tree so promptly, and to let you all know that it works fine now and is an Works fine means it now understands b.g.o timestamps :) But search by CC is still scheduled for next version... (so you have to use saved queries for that). excellent interface to bugs.g.o. I especially like how you can use saved queries from your acct, and the attachment handling (but then i'm just a usr ;) s/usr/user/ ! just one more letter to type and makes one not want to poke their eyes out... dev-util/deskzilla deskzilla is totally free for gentoo devs? No, but can be freely used with bugs.gentoo.org (by any user, the license key is installed by ebuild). Trialware otherwise. You can request such license for any FOSS project. - -- Vlastimil Babka (Caster) Gentoo/Java -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXn/1tbrAj05h3oQRApMDAKCZoGxaTEEhPQusvIuGvI23ZcSydwCfahcU iPUW0knA2ZZ76hT5mkv98Cs= =8Sbs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. It has been interesting to be in one of the major open source projects and I have learned a lot from it! I will move on with some new projects and see if I can become useful there. I will be around for the Bugday on Saturday and hopefully finish what we are missing in that project. Then I'll try to point out a new leader for that team. I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Best regards, Alex -- Alexander Færøy Bugday Lead Alpha/IA64/MIPS Architecture Teams User Relations, Quality Assurance and Release Engineering pgpZAYZgSOtVA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 08:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how bad it is... perhaps sometimes yes.. None the less I dislike losing core people so quickly who helped out on the back-end to keep things flowing .. He will be missed for sure. -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Really sad to see you go :-( You where the one who got me into this mess. Well, good luck to you where ever you may go. Any chance on you coming back later on? Bjarke / GurliGebis Bryan Østergaard skrev: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXolEO+Ewtpi9rLERAnQUAJ49otKHGgBcgc2LMXw0kMpYwn6pagCfTr27 Us9VdDgyZtiEmi/oZPRbqX8= =yKlP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] g++ problem
On Monday 28 May 2007 18:16:11 Robert Clark wrote: works fine as soon as I add the -static flag for g++ g++ -g -Wall -static `curl-config --cflags` `curl-config --libs` -l xerces-c Ui.cpp GetDataCurl.cpp GetDataAmazon.cpp XmlParser.cpp Options.cpp /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bi n/ld: cannot find -lgssapi_krb5 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status obviousely you've got a dynamic version libgssapi_krb5.so but no static version libgssapi_krb5.a (please note the file extension). please checkout the package that installed this particular library (sorry, don't know which, as I don't play w/ gssapi nor krb) and probably fix the ebuild, in case it is just missing installing the dynamic version. But maybe upstream just did not create a static lib version, so you've to patch their Makefile and in the end, patch the ebuild anyways. Hope these thoughts help, Christian Parpart. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ulrich Mueller wrote: So, only this reply. May I conclude that nobody objects to the above? Ulrich Wearing only my perl team hat, it would seem to lowly me that if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and both foo and bar were tested and marked stable by the arch's previously, that its silly to then wait for them to mark the virtual stable as well, since at least in my perception the only function of that virtual is to say use one of these packages - which have already been marked stable. /me hopes some arch brains step in, like weeve in particular, who is usually far more eloquent at defending an arch's position - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXpVDq1ztTp5/Ti4RAn3fAJ93fLU/G2QOB5p6jeGQst4lnyXEWgCfeuPg kQDUKObUWKYcIWndm6zGm6U= =beGq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Last riting x11-misc/xfm.
# Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (31 May 2007) # Masked, pending removal in 30 days for bug 178900. # Also, upstream is dead. As alternative, use any # preferred file manager from tree, there are plenty # of them. x11-misc/xfm As sidenote, if someone is planning to fix this and keep it around take a look at Debian version. It's still broken and won't compile but has some intresting fixes, including usage of autotools.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. kloeri: I don't think everything you did was perfect, but i believe you always had the best for Gentoo in mind when you made your decisions. Overall i think you did a fine job, sorry to see you go, thanks for the fish and kthxbyebye. :-) cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org http://forums.gentoo.org || http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/proctors/ forum-mods (at) gentoo.org || proctors (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums || #gentoo-proctors (freenode) pgpaBITX1eoGm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [half-PROCTOLOGISTS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. This is an official anti-proctors do-you-guys-really-nitpick-every-fucking-email-especially-ones-from-ciaran post. I specifically quoted the part where you were making a big deal out of nothing. Seriously, if common sense within Gentoo has degraded to the point where you have to puff your chests out about silly stuff like this, then perhaps Ciaran is truly correct in his assessment of the general (in)sanity of people. -Steve signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Cummings wrote: Ulrich Mueller wrote: So, only this reply. May I conclude that nobody objects to the above? Ulrich Wearing only my perl team hat, it would seem to lowly me that if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and both foo and bar were tested and marked stable by the arch's previously, that its silly to then wait for them to mark the virtual stable as well, since at least in my perception the only function of that virtual is to say use one of these packages - which have already been marked stable. /me hopes some arch brains step in, like weeve in particular, who is usually far more eloquent at defending an arch's position Michael, for a virtual pointing to packages foo and bar, only one of them needs to be stable before the virtual can be marked as stable, right? So your above comment should read if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and [either foo or bar was] tested and marked stable by the arch's previously, that its silly to then wait for them to mark the virtual stable as well, right? - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Proctors -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXs9kcAWygvVEyAIRAnoUAJ4iQc4qhyn8Yehuvs2w5AHknU2crgCfVvCx PWibZvOya/nyGDZDi72rwLs= =YAH2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. +1 from the i usually don't wave goodbye crowd. Sad to see you go. - -- Gustavo Zacarias Gentoo/SPARC monkey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXtB3V3G/IBCn/JARAro6AJ9w5s94Gj+lnM+qHL4TOBS6xGYqmwCcCGPW DW0mnaL2skuuEV/XE2POHnI= =8BGd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable
On Thu, 31 May 2007 05:28:35 -0400 Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ulrich Mueller wrote: So, only this reply. May I conclude that nobody objects to the above? I think marking virtuals is OK. If you cannot mark them because some DEPENDs have not been marked (stable) for some arch, you couldn't do it anyway (while at the same time getting past repoman) and would have to file a keywording bug. I think I should probably review this stance at the earliest when virtuals threaten to become more than containers for DEPENDs. Wearing only my perl team hat, it would seem to lowly me that if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and both foo and bar were tested and marked stable by the arch's previously, that its silly to then wait for them to mark the virtual stable as well, since at least in my perception the only function of that virtual is to say use one of these packages - which have already been marked stable. I have seen many Perl virtuals go straight to stable and haven't ever experienced any adverse effects. :) /me hopes some arch brains step in, like weeve in particular, who is usually far more eloquent at defending an arch's position Oh sorry. :) Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Deskzilla for Gentoo
josé Alberto Suárez López [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 31 May 2007 09:42:42 +0200: El mar, 29-05-2007 a las 16:01 +0100, Steve Long escribió: [E]xcellent interface to bugs.g.o. I especially like how you can use saved queries from your acct, and the attachment handling (but then i'm just a usr ;) dev-util/deskzilla deskzilla is totally free for gentoo devs? If it's not free as in freedom, it's obviously not totally free. (See the sig.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-Original Message- From: Wernfried Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully disagree. I do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than another person stating sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave - by your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best. Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was paying Bryan a compliment. Kind regards, Christina Fullam Gentoo Developer Relations | Conflict Resolution GWN Author -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:58 +0200 Alexander Færøy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. It has been interesting to be in one of the major open source projects and I have learned a lot from it! I will move on with some new projects and see if I can become useful there. I will be around for the Bugday on Saturday and hopefully finish what we are missing in that project. Then I'll try to point out a new leader for that team. I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Best regards, Alex No-one's replied thus far and kloeri's stealing all the attention from the looks of things... ¬.¬ So I thought I'd, y'know, say farewell m'dear ;) welp signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 10:22:31AM -0400, Chrissy Fullam wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully disagree. Fair enough. I do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than another person stating sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave - by your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best. That would be a positive statement because it would imply the other people are normal, and Bryan was one of the best, which is a positive statement. Saying one of the few remaining sane people is a generally negative statement that is judgemental towards the whole community, which is what the the CoC/proctors are supposed to proactively discourage. I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous environment. All i was asking ciaranm is to be nice to people. Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was paying Bryan a compliment. I even admitted it was meant as a compliment, see above. Hope that clears things up a bit. cheers, Wernfried PS: If anyone feels tempted to reply to this, please take it to the gentoo-proctors list instead of -dev, we're getting OT here. ;-) -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org http://forums.gentoo.org || http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/proctors/ forum-mods (at) gentoo.org || proctors (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums || #gentoo-proctors (freenode) pgp9x8uol4g82.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
Peter Weller wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:58 +0200 Alexander Færøy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. It has been interesting to be in one of the major open source projects and I have learned a lot from it! I will move on with some new projects and see if I can become useful there. I will be around for the Bugday on Saturday and hopefully finish what we are missing in that project. Then I'll try to point out a new leader for that team. I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Best regards, Alex No-one's replied thus far and kloeri's stealing all the attention from the looks of things... ¬.¬ So I thought I'd, y'know, say farewell m'dear ;) welp Bye welp, good look with Ubuntu, we won't miss you :D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
Alexander Færøy wrote: Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. Was fun having you around, I hope to see you again =) See you (sooner or later) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:20 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous environment. And statements like that are a large part of what caused this thread to begin with... -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for a virtual pointing to packages foo and bar, only one of them needs to be stable before the virtual can be marked as stable, right? So your above comment should read if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and [either foo or bar was] tested and marked stable by the arch's previously, that its silly to then wait for them to mark the virtual stable as well, right? At first sight what you say sounds right, but further thought shows that both foo and bar would have to be marked stable before the virtual could be. Take the instance that the appropriate version of foo is marked stable but that for bar is still in ~arch. If someone has foo installed then upgrading the virtual will pull in the new (stable) foo and all is well. However if someone else has bar installed but not foo, then the upgrade to the virtual will not cause bar to be upgraded (as it is still masked ~arch) but will cause the upgraded foo to be installed (as a new package) to satisfy the virtual. Or have I (as a mere user) misunderstood the concepts of virtuals? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeroen Roovers wrote: I have seen many Perl virtuals go straight to stable and haven't ever experienced any adverse effects. :) well, that's the idea :) But like I think it was Graham said in another subthread of this, perl team's virtuals only go to stable if both (in our case, there are usually only 2 possible sources for fulfillment) deps are already stable, so really all you're doing is updating a pointer reference. um. can i be more confusing? let's find out! /me hopes some arch brains step in, like weeve in particular, who is usually far more eloquent at defending an arch's position Oh sorry. :) bah - that was me failing to finish the sentence that in my head concluded as than me. That and softserve machines aside, weeve and gustovoz are pretty (in a positive sense) vocal about arch related items, so they were the ones that came to mind when i threw in the comment about arch's commenting. Double bah. I think i've dug a good hole here. Let me get in it. - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXvLHq1ztTp5/Ti4RAtf/AKCLWpCWcsD+m8njHSdfWltt+owQ1gCfaV2P S4o2MhHNJFs2gv2oN6yms/A= =sj0h -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo! [THOSE AREN'T PROCTORS...] [eroyf, you're in here too]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Kloeri, Always a shame to see one of our own retire. Best wishes and luck to you in your new life. But a word of advise to both you and eroyf. tar up all of your gentoo related stuff - scripts, shell rc files with tweaks, etc., and stuff them somewhere safe. Because when you come back - and oh yes, you both will be back - it will make things easier for you. Because Gentoo is like a fungus. A creeping, semi-sentient, not-so-good on pizza, certainly not up to shitake or portabello standards, fungus, that has crept into your lives. And if you think walking away will remove those vestigial tendrils that are attached to your hips, think again, because fungi spread by spore, so that last breath you thought you took in Gentoo land was laden with spores, and right now you are still a walking, breathing carrier. And not once do I believe the proctors needed to be involved. And if anyone DOES protest, it will just prove how reasonable and ahead of my times I am in recognizing the invading semi-sentient fungus armies. - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXvUtq1ztTp5/Ti4RAnlUAJ4jx90UWb1G93S7RqaQeyGgyV9pgwCeM2Z2 /55Ro7e3C628bkFy4e41JBw= =QvZY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Bye2u Gentoo
Alexander Færøy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Damn! Who can I bash now regarding MIPS? V-Li -- http://www.gentoo.org/ http://www.faulhammer.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] New developer: Joe Peterson (lavajoe)
It's my usual pleasure to announce some new blood coming in to replace some of the old going away. Joe is joining us from Lafayette, CO, USA to help with the Gentoo/FreeBSD work. Here is how he describes it himself: I would like to be able to help Gentoo in several ways. Many Gentoo packages need maintainers, and some of those packages I am very fond of. An example is xtrs, to which I have contributed (upstream) in the past. Working with a dev on that was great, but it made me feel even more strongly that, Hey, I should *be* a dev! so I can help out more profoundly. I also have an interest in Gentoo/FreeBSD and in helping it to grow. And on the personal side: For work, I run the science operations center for several unmanned space missions in Boulder, Colorado. My biggest current project is New Horizons (it just passed Jupiter on its way to Pluto). We post pictures quite often, if you are interested (there's a great movie loop of Tvashtar, a volcano on IO erupting there now): http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ There's a link near the center of that page about my group (Sci. Ops. Center). It's great fun most of the time! Seeing a launch is pretty damn cool - my first and only was in 1/2006 and that was New Horizons. I'm now starting to work on two Mars missions. My personal pages are here: http://www.skyrush.com/joe/ Please give him the usual weird welcome. IRC was a good start :) Regards, Petteri -- Gentoo/Recruiters lead signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Joe Peterson (lavajoe)
On 5/31/07, Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's my usual pleasure to announce some new blood coming in to replace some of the old going away. Joe is joining us from Lafayette, CO, USA to help with the Gentoo/FreeBSD work. Here is how he describes it himself: Congrats Joe! -- Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are. Seriously, get a grip. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bye2u Gentoo
On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:21:06 +0200 Christian Faulhammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! Who can I bash now regarding MIPS? No one in #gentoo-bugs. Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Please everyone, keep flames off this list. Thank you. On 5/31/07, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are. Seriously, get a grip. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Ioannis Aslanidis deathwing00[at]gentoo.org 0xB9B11F4E -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Joe Peterson (lavajoe)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ Two thoughts come to mind of course. First and foremost is the quote from 2010 (Arthur C. Clarke, movie adaption), All these worlds belong to you except Europa. Strike one (there's a photo of Europa from the fly-by). And...but does it run linux?? (does this count as a weird response for email?) - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXxADq1ztTp5/Ti4RAmq/AJ9Ab49i9X3zspz7jr8xneEGePWLUgCglb7n GcBm+TOrD9G2Ryy9+Mna8gA= =DLH3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bye2u Gentoo
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Alexander Færøy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Damn! Who can I bash now regarding MIPS? I guess you should have thought about it earlier. Now just go get yourself some MIPS hardware, and try to join one of those teams that tries to set hight QA standards, despite being totally understaffed. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
Grmbl Can you do us a favor and provide us with a clone, for doing MIPS keywording? Alexander Færøy wrote: Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. It has been interesting to be in one of the major open source projects and I have learned a lot from it! I will move on with some new projects and see if I can become useful there. I will be around for the Bugday on Saturday and hopefully finish what we are missing in that project. Then I'll try to point out a new leader for that team. I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Best regards, Alex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: Bye Gentoo!
Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:20 +0200: Saying one of the few remaining sane people is a generally negative statement that is judgemental towards the whole community, which is what the the CoC/proctors are supposed to proactively discourage. Please don't take this wrong, but I'm guessing you aren't a native English speaker and thus didn't realize the common turn of phrase. Alluding to this crazy world or this insane world is a common way in English of expressing empathy with the one you are replying to. The immediate corollary then is that sane people would recognize the insanity of it all, too bad there's so few of those left now days. It's a turn of phrase. It doesn't have to make exact literal sense, but hopefully that helps. Rewording Ciaranm's reply, therefore, it can be read roughly as: It's a crazy world we live in that you find it necessary to leave, but sometimes life just doesn't make sense, and you /do/ have to get a new perspective on things, a change of scene, in ordered just to maintain your sanity. The reference to a few then would be to the (seemingly) few still around, who've had enough experience to recognize how crazy it can get, at times, and they are contrasted against the insanity of the system that so many have left, that is, against the system itself, not against the other devs, who are in fact implied to be on their way toward the same seen it all and yes, it can be insane, sometimes experience. Again, I recognize that's exactly the literal meaning of the words when strung together, but that's because the thought is now more than the sum of its parts, having accumulated cultural meaning over the passage of time. Hopefully, that explains a bit why so many native English speakers seem shocked at the offense you took. Next time, perhaps the reference will make better sense. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 11:21 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Grmbl Can you do us a favor and provide us with a clone, for doing MIPS keywording? Looks like Kumba has been quite active doing it recently. Alexander Færøy wrote: Hey, It is my time to leave Gentoo as well. It has been some exciting months and I have learned a lot from many of you guys. It has been interesting to be in one of the major open source projects and I have learned a lot from it! I will move on with some new projects and see if I can become useful there. I will be around for the Bugday on Saturday and hopefully finish what we are missing in that project. Then I'll try to point out a new leader for that team. I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Best regards, Alex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard schrieb: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo but what can I do Juergen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
On 5/31/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 11:21 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Grmbl Can you do us a favor and provide us with a clone, for doing MIPS keywording? I believe much of that had to do with trying to get a new X livecd released. -Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:21:10 -0400 Stephen Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 11:21 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Grmbl Can you do us a favor and provide us with a clone, for doing MIPS keywording? I believe much of that had to do with trying to get a new X livecd released. About that, MIPS/X/Xfce/LiveCD.. Kumba said there are issues with Thunar, and possible with xfce4-session or xfdesktop. I could use .xsession-errors (or plain startx spits those messages to stdout/stderr) outputs from those when built with USE=debug. And backtraces from gdb. Are there are any developers with MIPS and X installed? - drac -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Juergen.Schinker wrote: Bryan Østergaard schrieb: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Aj! kloeri! No! i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo but what can I do Bribe him! Benno -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Joe Peterson (lavajoe)
Michael Cummings wrote: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ Two thoughts come to mind of course. First and foremost is the quote from 2010 (Arthur C. Clarke, movie adaption), All these worlds belong to you except Europa. Strike one (there's a photo of Europa from the fly-by). Whew, it's lucky New Horizons flew by Jupiter before 2010! :) And yeah, there have been more than one gee, is that a monolith in that image? jokes over the past few months... And...but does it run linux?? The spacecraft doesn't... But the ground systems do (at least *my* ground systems!). (does this count as a weird response for email?) Sure! And the weirder the better! -Joe -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new bugzilla resolution: NEEDPATCH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 02:32:22AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows a number of (enhancement) bugs that are fixable, but the assignee doesn't have the motivation to come up with a solution, but would look at and eventually include a user-submitted patch for it. Currently those would either be left open forever or closed as WONTFIX which isn't compeltely accurate. Therefore I propose a new bugzilla resolution NEEDPATCH so we're not stuck with tons of open bugs that might never be closed (or get closed with a somewhat incorrect resolution). It might also give people who want to help a simpler target instead of browsing through all open bugs and trying to find one where a user can work on. I think a keyword might be more useful, as at least with my bugs, I'd like to keep them open myself - if the user doesn't provide a patch, it's still something that I'd get around to doing eventually. I specifically want my bugs to stay open, and be easily visible as to why I've kept them open. +1 Keyword is a good idea. - -- Vlastimil Babka (Caster) Gentoo/Java -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGX04htbrAj05h3oQRAp/0AJ9adU5tYreZ7FG2jTrMXMOeYebRDQCfd5bj LhneK0sZ4gQkrMSw0oUj0LM= =xVZ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye2u Gentoo
Samuli Suominen wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:21:10 -0400 Stephen Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 11:21 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Grmbl Can you do us a favor and provide us with a clone, for doing MIPS keywording? I believe much of that had to do with trying to get a new X livecd released. About that, MIPS/X/Xfce/LiveCD.. Kumba said there are issues with Thunar, and possible with xfce4-session or xfdesktop. I could use .xsession-errors (or plain startx spits those messages to stdout/stderr) outputs from those when built with USE=debug. And backtraces from gdb. Are there are any developers with MIPS and X installed? - drac I've got a CD built w/ gdb and the debugging on in the appropriate Xfce stuff, I just haven't had time to boot and try it out yet. Work has this amazing ability to sap time and energy away :P Now to just figure how to get this UPS battery out... --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bye2u Gentoo
Christian Faulhammer wrote: Alexander Færøy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am really going to miss a lot of you guys. Especially the ones I met during FOSDEM. Hope to see you there next year as well! Damn! Who can I bash now regarding MIPS? V-Li You really wanna bash the arch whose supported machines are made from 100% American-grade Steel, usually require two people to lift, and suck more energy than a Metroid in a daycare? :P Bring it! :P --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
