Re: [gentoo-dev] Usage of cp -i to prevent overwriting upstream files

2009-01-21 Thread Peter Volkov
В Втр, 20/01/2009 в 21:04 +0200, Petteri Räty пишет:
 So do you think:
 a) cp -i is fine

No, interactivity is bad.

 b) this function should be added to eutils
 c) keep it restricted to java eclasses

I don't remember/know any other cases where this function can be useful.
So I think it's better to add it somewhere into java eclasses.

-- 
Peter.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Usage of cp -i to prevent overwriting upstream files

2009-01-21 Thread Santiago M. Mola
El mar, 20-01-2009 a las 21:04 +0200, Petteri Räty escribió:

 d) something else

e) use a hook around unpack on your local system to detect new build.xml
for a list of packages.

AFAIK, checking changes is part of the bump process, so I think that's a
check you can do either at hand, with a script (it's always a good thing
to look for new files in the project, or look at the diffs), or as I
said in 'e)', use some tricks with /etc/portage/bashrc.

Regards,
-- 
Santiago Moisés Mola
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Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Thursday 22 of January 2009 00:28:40 Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) 
wrote:

[[snip]]

You should use more exclamation marks.

 Going to Funtoo! Good night, sleep tide...

Enjoy.


 * qemu requires gcc-3 in order to build and work correctly
  * please compile it switching to gcc-3.
  * We are aware that qemu can guess a gcc-3 but this feature
  * could be harmful.
  *
  * ERROR: app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 failed.
  * Call stack:
  *  ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called pkg_setup
  *   qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3.ebuild, line   40:  Called die
  * The specific snippet of code:
  *  die gcc 4 cannot build qemu
  *  The die message:
  *   gcc 4 cannot build qemu
  *
  * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
 if relevant.
  * A complete build log is located at
 '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3
/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at
 '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3
/temp/die.env'. *

Go to bugs.gentoo.org



Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Josh Saddler
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote:
 [Rant rant rant]

1. Stop bitching.
2. Go away.

(Not necessarily in that order.)


Oh, and by the way:

 - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom!

Guess what? We don't own that. We don't control it. It has no
affiliation with Gentoo; it's run by some of the users from the
community. It's their project, not ours. Take up your issues with them.
If the wiki needs fixing, then FIX IT. That's what it's for.

Actually, that applies to the Gentoo distribution itself: if something
bothers you, there are a million ways to FIX IT.

Help out, or find something more suited to your . . . temperament.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Friedrich Oslage
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote:
 Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix)
   id ABDDD64A4E; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:36:12 + (UTC)
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:28:40 +0100

You might want to run `ntpdate pool.ntp.org`...



[gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org)
Now I'm pissed off!

Am I so stupid to build GCC3 now? Qemu can be build with GCC 4 (exc.
4.3.2). Im tired about complaining pseudo developers about taking some
ideas not needed by anyone.

What don't working in Gentoo:
- intel driver (i965) with connection to MESA - some not available video
modes, strange driver configuration workarounds and exc. ACCELERATION.

- rtl8187B wi-fi driver (kernel built-in) - on Ubuntu works OK, on
gentoo drops connection after 4 sec. of working.

- performance! Performance got some coffee at work break!

- No main packages updates.

- No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom!

- Portage blocks! - in 2005 there was no blocks, system was stable and
working with max performance - now blocks are needed - WHY?!

- Amd64 have oldest packages developed by devs (much don't work).

- GLI death! People used GLI! You write OS for PPL, not for Your usage.

- Stupid ideas about kicking off creator of Gentoo - You using his work!
That's sucks! Try to rewrite whole portage by Your own then You can kick
off anyone You like!

- KDE 4.1 packages updates... or should I say - none of it! Latest
unstable version of KDE 4 is 4.2 version!!!

- Some Python based apps like Elisa.

- On em28xx V4L2 DVB TV cards audio don't work (exc. at drivers from
portage).

- Worst Wine experience Ever! If You don't have NVidia properitary
drivers and NV card, You can go on tree with bananas streightning
propositions.


... and much more!

Check DistroWatch what You done with Gentoo! In 2007 Yr. Gentoo was 7-th
place, and now?

Nice work! Nice...

- Also thanks for GREAT OpenGL support for i965 (on ubuntu works great)-
when try to write app in C++ and OpenGL, after running whole screen
takes some bars with rainbow colors - nice picture, but not for programmer.

BTW. Hibernation on 2.6.28 kernel also not working! On Debian/Ubuntu,
Knoppix with not pached kernels compiled from source it works perfect.


Going to Funtoo! Good night, sleep tide...


* qemu requires gcc-3 in order to build and work correctly
 * please compile it switching to gcc-3.
 * We are aware that qemu can guess a gcc-3 but this feature
 * could be harmful.
 *
 * ERROR: app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *  ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called pkg_setup
 *   qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3.ebuild, line   40:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *  die gcc 4 cannot build qemu
 *  The die message:
 *   gcc 4 cannot build qemu
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at
'/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3/temp/die.env'.
 *



[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for January 22

2009-01-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).

If you're supposed to show up, please show up.  If you're not supposed
to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance
for you.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com


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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for January 22

2009-01-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:35 Wed 21 Jan , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
 meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
 channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).
 
 If you're supposed to show up, please show up.  If you're not supposed
 to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance
 for you.
 
 For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

Here's what I've got:

Discuss on-list before meeting
---
- Council meta stuff (-council)
  - Can the size change? Minimum? Maximum?
  - Should we have 2-year staggered terms?
- PMS, bug #250077: Do we need to get involved in this? (-dev)

Meeting topics
--
- Council meta stuff: What needs to happen before decisions?
- Open bug review

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com


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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2009-01-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 07:23 Thu 08 Jan , Ulrich Mueller wrote:
  On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
 
  Does anyone have additional topics for the Jan 22 meeting?
 
 Could you cover the PMS/documentation issue of bug 250077? Or, if you
 prefer to generalise, set up a procedure to resolve such conflicts?

Our procedure is that if the people involved can't resolve it together, 
they can ask council for a resolution. It seems like progress has been 
happening in the last third or so of that bug, so I don't think we need 
to step in unless Mike or Ciaran ask.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com


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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for January 22

2009-01-21 Thread Jeremy Olexa

Donnie Berkholz wrote:

This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).

If you're supposed to show up, please show up.  If you're not supposed
to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance
for you.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/



Sorry for the late request.

Can we get a consensus on bash version in the tree? this thread[1] is 
unresolved. I understand that the PMS draft is not set in stone (or 
something), but please...let's progress and update the spec[2]. I feel 
that this makes it hard for other projects relying on Gentoo to do some 
things without being able to *know* what version of bash is allowed.


Currently, our /draft/ says bash-3.0 but our tree says otherwise.

[1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/59154
[2]: Or make the tree comply, I don't really care tbh.



Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org)
mateuszmierzwin...@o2.pl wrote:
 Now I'm pissed off!


Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using
Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working.

Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose
(lose?) control.

Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on
Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them.
Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from
Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :)
and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo.

Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that
energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post
them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better.


Bye,
Norberto



Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for January 22

2009-01-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 21:28 Wed 21 Jan , Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Can we get a consensus on bash version in the tree? this thread[1] is  
 unresolved. I understand that the PMS draft is not set in stone (or  
 something), but please...let's progress and update the spec[2]. I feel  
 that this makes it hard for other projects relying on Gentoo to do some  
 things without being able to *know* what version of bash is allowed.

Which projects relying on Gentoo are having a hard time? It's helpful to 
know the impact of a problem when deciding what to do about it.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com


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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sci-chemistry/gromacs: gromacs-3.3.3.ebuild gromacs-4.0.3.ebuild ChangeLog gromacs-4.0.ebuild gromacs-3.3.1-r1.ebuild gromacs-4.0.2.ebuild

2009-01-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 04:14 Thu 22 Jan , Jeffrey Gardner (je_fro) wrote:
 Index: gromacs-4.0.3.ebuild

   if ( use double-precision ) ; then

What is this pointless subshell doing? There's heavy use of subshells 
throughout this ebuild for no reason. I quoted them below when I saw 
them.

   if ( use sse || use sse2 ) ; then

   if ( ! use sse  ! use sse2  ! use 3dnow ) ; then

   # if we need external blas

I really hope the other option is not internal blas. If so, it shouldn't 
be an option at all. Same goes for lapack.

   if ( use double-precision  use single-precision ); then

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com


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Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!

2009-01-21 Thread Dale
Norberto Bensa wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org)
 mateuszmierzwin...@o2.pl wrote:
   
 Now I'm pissed off!

 

 Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using
 Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working.

 Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose
 (lose?) control.

 Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on
 Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them.
 Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from
 Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :)
 and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo.

 Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that
 energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post
 them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better.


 Bye,
 Norberto


   

I don't reply on here much so please forgive me this one, and maybe a
few more in the future. 

One, Gentoo grows on a person.  If you are not willing to try it for at
least a couple months and put in the effort to learn it, don't even try
it.  You are wasting time.  Two, I bet there is a easy fix to his
problem with regard to the error he posted.  Most likely a known one at
that.  Third, he should try the latest portage that takes care of blocks
very well.  It may not be stable yet but it has worked so far and I
suspect it would work for him as well. 

It's funny how a person can run into one issue and then blame everyone
else for them not doing a little research.  I also didn't see him post
on -user to see if there is a workaround for his problem either.  Maybe
he needs to try Windoze.  O_O

While I am here, as a user of Gentoo for about 5 years or so, thanks for
all the good work.  There have been a lot of curves and bumps but ya'll
do some super coding to say it lightly!  Wish I was filthy rich.  I
would send all the devs a new rig to play with.  Maybe even the MIPS
folks too.  LOL  Just wishing tho.  I'm not even sure what a MIPS is tho
I suspect they are old. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

 Dale goes back to his hole now