Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! 

On Fri, 22 May 2009, Dawid Węgliński wrote:
 Haven't tested it yet on my box, but i'd like to know if openrc
 handles 801.2Q support.

Near as I can tell, it does (some lines shortened for brevity):

[r...@sareth ~]# eix -Ic openrc
[I] sys-apps/openrc (0.4.3...@05/15/2009): OpenRC manages the services, startup 
and shutdown of a host
[r...@sareth ~]# ip addr sh
[...]
2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: eth1: NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP mtu 1500 [...]
link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.2.166/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global eth0.381
inet 192.168.2.164/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global secondary eth0.381
inet 192.168.2.165/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global secondary eth0.381
5: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.3.102/24 brd 192.168.3.255 scope global eth0.146
6: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 10.104.22.1/24 brd 10.104.22.255 scope global eth0.271
[r...@sareth ~]# grep -v '^#' /etc/conf.d/net
routes_eth0_381=(default via 192.168.2.161)
config_eth1=( null )
config_eth0=( null )
vlans_eth0=381 146 271

config_eth0_381=(
192.168.2.166/28
192.168.2.164/28
192.168.2.165/28
)
config_eth0_146=(192.168.3.102/24)
config_eth0_271=(10.104.22.1/24)

Regards,
Tobias
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Saturday 23 of May 2009 10:53:49 Tobias Klausmann wrote:
 Hi!

 On Fri, 22 May 2009, Dawid Węgliński wrote:
  Haven't tested it yet on my box, but i'd like to know if openrc
  handles 801.2Q support.

 Near as I can tell, it does (some lines shortened for brevity):

 [r...@sareth ~]# eix -Ic openrc
 [I] sys-apps/openrc (0.4.3...@05/15/2009): OpenRC manages the services,
 startup and shutdown of a host [r...@sareth ~]# ip addr sh
 [...]
 2: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
 link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 3: eth1: NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP mtu 1500 [...]
 link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:b8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 4: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
 link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.2.166/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global eth0.381
 inet 192.168.2.164/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global secondary eth0.381
 inet 192.168.2.165/28 brd 192.168.2.175 scope global secondary eth0.381
 5: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
 link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.3.102/24 brd 192.168.3.255 scope global eth0.146
 6: eth0@eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 [...]
 link/ether 00:1e:0b:46:50:ba brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 10.104.22.1/24 brd 10.104.22.255 scope global eth0.271
 [r...@sareth ~]# grep -v '^#' /etc/conf.d/net
 routes_eth0_381=(default via 192.168.2.161)
 config_eth1=( null )
 config_eth0=( null )
 vlans_eth0=381 146 271

 config_eth0_381=(
 192.168.2.166/28
 192.168.2.164/28
 192.168.2.165/28
 )
 config_eth0_146=(192.168.3.102/24)
 config_eth0_271=(10.104.22.1/24)

 Regards,
 Tobias

Thank you very much Tobias!



Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Alin Năstac
Doug Goldstein wrote:
 The only reason why OpenRC has not come up for stabilization by it's
 maintainers is the fact that everytime there's a new version readied
 for release, on the horizon there's new incompatible changes being
 planned for the next version. The OpenRC maintainers in Gentoo have
 always chosen to wait until OpenRC settles down a little bit. Now with
 the plan to drop support for certain features (ADSL and PPP support in
 the networking code), it's going to rewrite more Gentoo people to step
 up to develop and maintain this code.
   
rp-pppoe support should be removed because its scripts don't work well
under baselayout, but are you sure OpenRC mantainers also plan to drop
generic PPP support?




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[gentoo-dev] The VMware packages are in need of a maintainer

2009-05-23 Thread Mike Auty
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Hi Everybody,

Last week I stepped down from the vmware herd, and since I was the only
member left, there are no more maintainers for the vmware packages in
the tree.  The current packages are vmware-workstation, vmware-server,
vmware-player, vmware-modules, and open-vm-tools; and there are two more
that should probably be masked and removed (vmware-dsp and
vmware-gsx-console).

All emails being delivered to vmw...@g.o and all bugs assigned to the
vmware herd are going unread.  The software is effectively in the
maintainer-needed group, just with its own email address.

As such, for vmware to continue to be supported under Gentoo we need
some developers or new recruits to look after the packages.  If you want
to help look after these packages, please contact me (off-list) and I'll
be happy to start training you in how the ebuilds/eclasses work and give
you guidance about how vmware packages their software.

If you're not a Gentoo developer yet, but are interested in becoming one
to look after the vmware packages, do also feel free to contact me and
we can look at getting you recruited.  The sort of information you'll
need to become a Gentoo developer is available at [1], [2] and [3].

The kinds of challenges you'll be dealing with are mostly kernel
related, ensuring that the modules are working with various gentoo
supported kernels, etc.  The current vmware installer is written in
python, whilst previously a perl script was used, so knowledge of both
of these languages would be advantageous.

If you've got any other questions or comments, again feel free to
contact me.

Mike  5:)

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=gentoodev
[2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml
[3] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Roy Marples
Alin Năstac wrote:
 Doug Goldstein wrote:
 The only reason why OpenRC has not come up for stabilization by it's
 maintainers is the fact that everytime there's a new version readied
 for release, on the horizon there's new incompatible changes being
 planned for the next version. The OpenRC maintainers in Gentoo have
 always chosen to wait until OpenRC settles down a little bit. Now with
 the plan to drop support for certain features (ADSL and PPP support in
 the networking code), it's going to rewrite more Gentoo people to step
 up to develop and maintain this code.
   
 rp-pppoe support should be removed because its scripts don't work well
 under baselayout, but are you sure OpenRC mantainers also plan to drop
 generic PPP support?

I don't usually troll -dev anymore, but I feel urged to reply to this.

Basically as Doug said, each OpenRC version comes with a few big
chances. Well not massive as in your box will break now, but just a
different spin on how things should work. OpenRC-0.5 will have the
biggest re-spin to date - net.lo (net.eth0 etc) is considered deprecated.

Instead OpenRC now ships with network (provides net) which is a simple
wrapper around calling ifconfig (or ip) and with the ability to run
shell scripts. Attached is the new conf.d/net sample. You'll notice it's
a lot smaller than the old one as it relies heavily on the user being
able to read and understand man pages for userland tools requires to do
the job.

Now, the one weakness with this approach is that the Linux userland
tools are quite frankly crap compared to the BSD counterparts. Why is
there the need for many badly written tools to configure a network
interface? As such, a side project I've started is a new ifconfig tool
[1] to handle everything from vlans, to bridging, to bonding, to
wireless (up to WEP) with a similar syntax to the BSD ifconfig.

However, work on this has stopped as a side product of this means I have
to get some wpa_supplicant changes I have pushed upstream so it can
start on any wireless interface - and when it appears (pcmcia, etc).

One side effect of this is that daemons such was wpa_supplicant and PPP
are now init scripts proper - this is good. The only downside is that
you lose the ability to control each interface via init.d. Instead I
propose you control this via ifconfig.

This decision is heavily influenced by NetBSD (disclaimer - I'm now a
NetBSD dev).

FWIW, the only re-spin I have on my list is to remove dependencies from
rc and runscript so that dependencies are only taken into account when
rc is run and not for each script. Essentially, making rc and runscript
light shell wrappers and removing a few tools so that it's smaller for
space critical devices.

Thanks

Roy



Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Roy Marples
Roy Marples wrote:
 One side effect of this is that daemons such was wpa_supplicant and PPP
 are now init scripts proper - this is good. The only downside is that
 you lose the ability to control each interface via init.d. Instead I
 propose you control this via ifconfig.

Uh, so in summary any external daemons such as wpa_supplicant and PPP
will be controlled fully by init scripts external to OpenRC.
OpenRC may supply example init scripts, but not installed by default.

Thanks

Roy



Re: [gentoo-dev] Baselayout 2 stabilisation todo

2009-05-23 Thread Mike Auty
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Roy Marples wrote:
 Attached is the new conf.d/net sample.

Sorry, I missed those.  Did lists.g.o remove them, or were they not
attached?

 As such, a side project I've started is a new ifconfig tool
 [1] to handle everything from vlans, to bridging, to bonding, to
 wireless (up to WEP) with a similar syntax to the BSD ifconfig.

Also [1]'s missing, and I couldn't find it at http://roy.marples.name/.
 Where should I be looking?

 This decision is heavily influenced by NetBSD (disclaimer - I'm now a
 NetBSD dev).

Congrats on becoming a NetBSD dev!  5:)

Mike  5:)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Mounir Lamouri
William Hubbs wrote:
 [snip]
 My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software
 being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd?
I agree, it should be in our minimal and live CD's. There is no reason
to consider blind persons out of the minimal CD.

Mounir



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Andrew Gaffney

On 05/23/2009 05:56 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote:

William Hubbs wrote:

[snip]
My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software
being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd?

I agree, it should be in our minimal and live CD's. There is no reason
to consider blind persons out of the minimal CD.


The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of the 
alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's not 
minimal anymore.


--
Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux DeveloperCatalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering Lead



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Thomas Pani
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney agaff...@gentoo.org wrote:
 The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of
 the alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's
 not minimal anymore.

Could you elaborate whom that change would affect (negatively)? 83MB
for current x86 isn't really minimal any more, anyway.
I don't see the difference between 83MB and 103MB:
- Makes no difference on blank CD (even those minis have ~200MB).
- Regarding download size, well, after the CD you'll have to get the
stage tarball and most probably source tarballs as well.

--
Thomas Pani



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
Thomas Pani wrote:
 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney agaff...@gentoo.org wrote:
   
 The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of
 the alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's
 not minimal anymore.

 
 Could you elaborate whom that change would affect (negatively)? 83MB
 for current x86 isn't really minimal any more, anyway.
 I don't see the difference between 83MB and 103MB:
 - Makes no difference on blank CD (even those minis have ~200MB).
 - Regarding download size, well, after the CD you'll have to get the
 stage tarball and most probably source tarballs as well.

 --
 Thomas Pani


   

For a person on dial-up, about 2 1/2 hours of additional download.  That
said, I'd be OK with the increase in size if it would help a person who
can't see the screen.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Sat, 23 May 2009 18:14:57 -0500
Andrew Gaffney agaff...@gentoo.org wrote:

 On 05/23/2009 05:56 PM, Mounir Lamouri wrote:
  William Hubbs wrote:
  [snip]
  My question for the group is, how do you feel about speech software
  being on our minimal cd as well as our live cd?
  I agree, it should be in our minimal and live CD's. There is no reason
  to consider blind persons out of the minimal CD.
 
 The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of the 
 alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's not 
 minimal anymore.
 
 -- 
 Andrew Gaffney 
 http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
 Gentoo Linux DeveloperCatalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering 
 Lead
 
If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two
versions of the minimal CD.  Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is
discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would
consider that to be very tacky at best.

Someone (rdalek1967) said the problem was an extra 2.5 hours time for
download over dialup.  If that is correct, we are looking at 12.5 hours
instead of 10 hours (about 25% increase, but 10 hours is a long time,
and I don't know that 12.5 hours is subjectively that much longer).

So, to answer William's original question, one way or another we should
provide a minimal CD with the speech software on it in my opinion.

Regards,
Ferris

--
Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) fmc...@gentoo.org
Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
Ferris McCormick wrote:

 If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two
 versions of the minimal CD.  Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is
 discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would
 consider that to be very tacky at best.

 Someone (rdalek1967) said the problem was an extra 2.5 hours time for
 download over dialup.  If that is correct, we are looking at 12.5 hours
 instead of 10 hours (about 25% increase, but 10 hours is a long time,
 and I don't know that 12.5 hours is subjectively that much longer).

 So, to answer William's original question, one way or another we should
 provide a minimal CD with the speech software on it in my opinion.

 Regards,
 Ferris

 --
 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) fmc...@gentoo.org
 Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)
   

One problem I will mention but in most cases wouldn't matter.  Most
dial-up ISPs have connect time limits.  ATT for example is 12 hours, my
current ISP is 10 but some are as little as 4 hours.  When that limit is
reached, it disconnects.  This happens even if there is data flowing.

If, this is a big if here, a person has one of these and cannot resume
the download, this could become a issue even if they have a long connect
time like ATT.  I use Kget to download huge files or CDs since it has a
resume feature.  However, are the tools on the CD, wget I guess, resumable?

I do think this is a good idea even if it is a separate CD to download. 
Also something to remember when making the stage tarballs I guess.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
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On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 07:32:18PM -0500, Dale wrote:
 Thomas Pani wrote:
  On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Andrew Gaffney agaff...@gentoo.org wrote:

  The real issue here is the size. If these additional packages plus all of
  the alsa modules add 20MB to the minimal CD, it's just not worth it. It's
  not minimal anymore.
 
  
  Could you elaborate whom that change would affect (negatively)? 83MB
  for current x86 isn't really minimal any more, anyway.
  I don't see the difference between 83MB and 103MB:
  - Makes no difference on blank CD (even those minis have ~200MB).
  - Regarding download size, well, after the CD you'll have to get the
  stage tarball and most probably source tarballs as well.
 
  --
  Thomas Pani
 
 

 
 For a person on dial-up, about 2 1/2 hours of additional download.  That
 said, I'd be OK with the increase in size if it would help a person who
 can't see the screen.
 
It is impossible for a person who can't see the screen to install gentoo
linux from our current release media unless they do what I did, which
was to have someone read the screen to me long enough to assist me with
starting an ssh server on the livecd and figure out the IP address of
the computer, so that I could ssh in from my second computer to do the
install.

In other words, putting this software on our media will not just
help, but make it possible for a blind person to install gentoo
independently.

Only adding the software to the live cd is not an option for me, because
I feel that all of our release media should be accessible.  Yes, there
will be a size increase for the release media, but, unless the alsa
modules and alsa-utils are over 15 mb, it will not be a 20 mb increase.

- -- 
William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
willi...@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Sat, 23 May 2009 20:12:17 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ferris McCormick wrote:
 
  If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two
  versions of the minimal CD.  Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is
  discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would
  consider that to be very tacky at best.
 
  Someone (rdalek1967) said the problem was an extra 2.5 hours time for
  download over dialup.  If that is correct, we are looking at 12.5 hours
  instead of 10 hours (about 25% increase, but 10 hours is a long time,
  and I don't know that 12.5 hours is subjectively that much longer).
 
  So, to answer William's original question, one way or another we should
  provide a minimal CD with the speech software on it in my opinion.
 
  Regards,
  Ferris
 
  --
  Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) fmc...@gentoo.org
  Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)

 
 One problem I will mention but in most cases wouldn't matter.  Most
 dial-up ISPs have connect time limits.  ATT for example is 12 hours, my
 current ISP is 10 but some are as little as 4 hours.  When that limit is
 reached, it disconnects.  This happens even if there is data flowing.
 
 If, this is a big if here, a person has one of these and cannot resume
 the download, this could become a issue even if they have a long connect
 time like ATT.  I use Kget to download huge files or CDs since it has a
 resume feature.  However, are the tools on the CD, wget I guess, resumable?
 

wget claims it is: The example in the man page is
===
wget -c ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/ls-lR.Z

   If there is a file named ls-lR.Z in the current directory,
   Wget will assume that it is the first portion of the remote
   file, and will ask the server to continue the retrieval from
   an offset equal to the length of the local file.


 I do think this is a good idea even if it is a separate CD to download. 
 Also something to remember when making the stage tarballs I guess.
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-) 
 

Regards,
Ferris
--
Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) fmc...@gentoo.org
Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
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On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:12:17PM -0500, Dale wrote:
 Ferris McCormick wrote:
 
  If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two
  versions of the minimal CD.  Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is
  discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would
  consider that to be very tacky at best.
 
  Someone (rdalek1967) said the problem was an extra 2.5 hours time for
  download over dialup.  If that is correct, we are looking at 12.5 hours
  instead of 10 hours (about 25% increase, but 10 hours is a long time,
  and I don't know that 12.5 hours is subjectively that much longer).
 
  So, to answer William's original question, one way or another we should
  provide a minimal CD with the speech software on it in my opinion.

Keep in mind that if we produce a separate cd with the speech software,
that means yet another cd for each architecture that we know the speech
software runs on, so I think the better route would be to just put it on
all of our media that we produce for the affected architectures instead
of asking releng to produce a separate cd for each release or autobuild.

- -- 
William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
willi...@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
William Hubbs wrote:
 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 07:32:18PM -0500, Dale wrote:

  For a person on dial-up, about 2 1/2 hours of additional download.  That
  said, I'd be OK with the increase in size if it would help a person who
  can't see the screen.
  
 It is impossible for a person who can't see the screen to install gentoo
 linux from our current release media unless they do what I did, which
 was to have someone read the screen to me long enough to assist me with
 starting an ssh server on the livecd and figure out the IP address of
 the computer, so that I could ssh in from my second computer to do the
 install.

 In other words, putting this software on our media will not just
 help, but make it possible for a blind person to install gentoo
 independently.

 Only adding the software to the live cd is not an option for me, because
 I feel that all of our release media should be accessible.  Yes, there
 will be a size increase for the release media, but, unless the alsa
 modules and alsa-utils are over 15 mb, it will not be a 20 mb increase.


Maybe I am being misunderstood.  I'm all for it even if it does make it
bigger.  It's a good idea in my opinion.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread Dale
William Hubbs wrote:
 On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:12:17PM -0500, Dale wrote:
  Ferris McCormick wrote:
  If the 20MB is a real problem, I think the alternative is to have two
  versions of the minimal CD.  Otherwise it seems to me that Gentoo is
  discriminating against people who cannot see the screen, and I would
  consider that to be very tacky at best.
 
  Someone (rdalek1967) said the problem was an extra 2.5 hours time for
  download over dialup.  If that is correct, we are looking at 12.5 hours
  instead of 10 hours (about 25% increase, but 10 hours is a long time,
  and I don't know that 12.5 hours is subjectively that much longer).
 
  So, to answer William's original question, one way or another we should
  provide a minimal CD with the speech software on it in my opinion.

 Keep in mind that if we produce a separate cd with the speech software,
 that means yet another cd for each architecture that we know the speech
 software runs on, so I think the better route would be to just put it on
 all of our media that we produce for the affected architectures instead
 of asking releng to produce a separate cd for each release or autobuild.



I agree.  I think it is a good idea regardless of if it is a separate CD
or not.  If the people that does this wants to make it a separate CD,
that's cool too.  Otherwise, just add it to the CD that we already have.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: Accessibility on our release media

2009-05-23 Thread William Hubbs
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On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 09:47:24PM -0500, Dale wrote:
 Maybe I am being misunderstood.  I'm all for it even if it does make it
 bigger.  It's a good idea in my opinion.
 
 Hi Dale,

 no, I didn't misunderstand you, and I am sorry if I came across that
 way.  I just wanted to make sure that everyone here knows that this
 isn't just something that would help blind users to be able to
 install our distro.  It would do more than help, it would make it
 possible. :-)

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William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
willi...@gentoo.org
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[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-python/glewpy and dev-python/pycrash

2009-05-23 Thread Jesus Rivero

Hello everyone,

   dev-python/pycrash and dev-python/glewpy are either dead or 
unmaintained so im masking them for removal in 30 days. There are some 
non-fixable bugs regarding this packages. (see bug #198330 for glewpy 
and #221267 for pycrash)



   Best regards,

   Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
   Gentoo Python Team




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