Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-12 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:05:47 +0100
Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:

[snip]

 
 You should consider taking like 1 or 2 hours of your precious time to
 read about the use and meaning of various directories in the
 filesystem.
 

The FHS gives different meaning to directories than the systemd folks
like it to be. Yes, it's unpleasant how far that sort of breakage
already progressed. However, by definition software not adhering to the
current standard is what is broken and not the other way around.

There is nothing wrong with changing an old standard if there is a need,
though until a new standard is approved / accepted there is no ground
to change anything and breaking the current standard on purpose is plain
stupid.

Btw, do you happen to know what is going on with FHS-3.0 and why
there are delays. Wasn't it supposed to be announced in summer 2011?

Then do you happen to know a technical paper which actually discuss the
advantage / disadvantages of changing the current standard. All I have
read on this topic so far looks like propaganda material only or lists
non arguments like less top level directories.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:05:47 +0100
 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:

 [snip]


 You should consider taking like 1 or 2 hours of your precious time to
 read about the use and meaning of various directories in the
 filesystem.


 The FHS gives different meaning to directories than the systemd folks
 like it to be. Yes, it's unpleasant how far that sort of breakage
 already progressed. However, by definition software not adhering to the
 current standard is what is broken and not the other way around.

We have never aimed to be FHS compliant, so citing the standard is not
likely to persuade some.
We follow them where we think they make sense and ignore the parts we
think are stupid.
Just like PMS :)

-A


 There is nothing wrong with changing an old standard if there is a need,
 though until a new standard is approved / accepted there is no ground
 to change anything and breaking the current standard on purpose is plain
 stupid.

 Btw, do you happen to know what is going on with FHS-3.0 and why
 there are delays. Wasn't it supposed to be announced in summer 2011?

 Then do you happen to know a technical paper which actually discuss the
 advantage / disadvantages of changing the current standard. All I have
 read on this topic so far looks like propaganda material only or lists
 non arguments like less top level directories.