Re: [gentoo-dev] tb logs attacher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/11/14 05:45 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Hi, did you end up running the script only for RESO/NEEDINFO or for > all of them? > > If you have a chance to run it for every bug I will just turn down > the S3 account afterwards. > > Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — > http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ Sorry, been afk due to real-world stuff. I've just started running the RESO/NEEDINFO adjusted script on your entire bug list, I expect it will be done in less than an hour. Sorry to see you go, Diego -- enjoy Baldur's Gate tho!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlR3S70ACgkQ2ugaI38ACPA+IgEAj948fYWw/U0+qx8PeYzuPbKO 3ZnlsJpwZOHjZ3+CSj4BALzpKTvkhxQyo2q3a5FPVUZPl5hWwlibZbd0Cl9LnvjD =Us8z -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11
On 26/11/14 22:52, Rich Freeman wrote: > Are you suggesting that instead of trying to mediate between people > who don't get a long, it would be better to just pick one or the other > as the winner and boot the other out? > > One of the challenges here is that if we were talking about just one > productive person who tended to drive everybody away that would be one > thing. The problem is that we have a lot of productive people who > have different sorts of personality quirks. They range from blowing > up in public, to constant passive-aggression, to just silently doing > their own thing completely ignoring any input whatsoever. I'm sure I > missed a few, like writing excessively-long emails. :) Sorry for that wall of quoted text. IMHO, it is not about looking who is right or wrong... or kicking people out. As others have said so before, you always try to be a voice of reason and neutrality. You try to find a middle-ground. Which is perfectly fine and very commendable. But here is the thing (imho): There are limits to that and how far you can go and get with that approach. You have to recognize the point where someone is taking "advantage" of the situation because he feels like he has become indispensable or simply knows there won't be any consequences to his actions. You also have to realize that the obvious and vocal misbehavior of a single person can pretty much damage the reputation/"attractiveness" of a project for others... even if there are 100 times more people that actually are angels. ;-) No matter how undermanned a project is, structures and rules are still very important. If everyone can actually do as he likes (or even just a select few, which might be even worse) that will tear down a project in the long-run since others will feel "demoted" or unappreciated due to the obvious unbalanced treatment of members. I know, I would... and that is only human. Personally, I have thought many times about joining the dev ranks (and even made a few select steps in the past) but the atmosphere on the list sometimes and the behavior of select few individuals is not really as inviting. This together with the above... well... you get the picture. What I am trying to say is: Catering to everyone's needs and wishes is a very admirable goal. Keeping devs in the boat as well. But those goals should not mean rules are not enforced or approved, nor structures put in place. I, for one, never understood why it was not mandatory to be subscribed to the dev list at least for every dev. I know the arguments that have been posted to the list about this but still, just because it is open source (free) work that "we" all do for fun, does not mean there cannot be some commitments/responsibilities that come with it. Last but not least: I appreciate everyone's work and I love Gentoo and have probably used it for over 10 years and more by now. I feel rather sad seeing devs go and I even more so when someone is actually kicked out... but that is just the way of life and the latter is unfortunately sometimes necessary for the health of the overall project. -- Matthias
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 26/11/14 22:52, Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC) >>> Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: >>> While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have another "toxic person" situation to deal with, with all the implications that come with it. Maybe it's time to deal with it. >>> >>> >>> Toxic wars have casualties; in one of the sides, or in both of them. >>> >>> IOTW; you're already dealing with it, you can only change the outcome. >>> >> >> Can you be clear as to what you're recommending? >> >> Are you suggesting that instead of trying to mediate between people >> who don't get a long, it would be better to just pick one or the other >> as the winner and boot the other out? > > > You are missing the point completely. You replied to two questions seeking more information with a statement that I don't seem to have all the information. I wouldn't have asked if I didn't already agree with you before I posted it. :) The rest of your post was appreciated. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs
On 11/26/2014 03:15 AM, Yixun Lan wrote: > On 21:08 Sun 23 Nov , Daniel Campbell wrote: >> >> I'd like to take x11-misc/spacefm if a developer is willing to allow >> me to proxy-maint until I become a developer. > > update metadata.xml, using your email found in bugzie. > and current no bug opened, thanks > > btw, any particular reason why should we keep so many stable versions? > probably start doing by cleaning old versions ;-) > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v2 >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUcqEYAAoJEJUrb08JgYgHJ0IIAK+tguKdL+JxdjKLySOSJaTU >> kiU1z2rBqUfPzs8VI3V8JAAL9dbSJel4h3/JdoZFpidC9jED63l5STmGXi6dp63O >> 9CKqNQRt4AELfOUpQzxoD4HNHVxaA9hkiiJXgAoF9HIfKBEqczPCBKGnJb5s1WB5 >> 8eQkn6t6DZMZeRV/dE6pw1RgTj1eHowu2es67V7+bHMiy2ylz5/4ru0dx+1UHvU1 >> UeBBcB1IesAVxVsfpBLJoi+aZA9CO9EAriaGogzTXQPP5odr4bgIf5acxOPKGxt0 >> iz62j/XgG3jTExqkP5rNaTVnO9ZZol8XPcLiAIZTEl79XU0ZOcy5LDUsJNY+9cI= >> =stIL >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- > I'd do that myself, if I was a dev. :P I'd need a developer to help me proxy maintain it. I've been meaning to become a developer, but my ebuild quiz is out of date and I have a lot of IRL things going on right now so I can't really work toward it right now. spacefm's developer is on hiatus, so it'd be a good low-traffic package for me to maintain and take the load (if only mental) off of other developers.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: more help needed with gcc-4.8 stabilization, chromium starts heavily using C++11
On 26/11/14 22:52, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 00:34:33 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: While it pains me to say this, unfortunately it looks like we have another "toxic person" situation to deal with, with all the implications that come with it. Maybe it's time to deal with it. Toxic wars have casualties; in one of the sides, or in both of them. IOTW; you're already dealing with it, you can only change the outcome. Can you be clear as to what you're recommending? Are you suggesting that instead of trying to mediate between people who don't get a long, it would be better to just pick one or the other as the winner and boot the other out? You are missing the point completely. One of the challenges here is that if we were talking about just one productive person who tended to drive everybody away that would be one thing. The problem is that we have a lot of productive people who have different sorts of personality quirks. This is not a matter of quirks. It is not a *quirk* making a mess of other people work and doing that repeatedly. It is *not* getting along or not, it is having one side causing damage and not being accounted for that for reasons that are and will make us bleed contributors. And what annoys me the most is that the issue would had been solved by _fixing_ the bugzilla setup but apparently nobody had the time or the will, me included, mostly since I do not dabble in perl. lu
