Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:27 PM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Alec Warner wrote: > > >> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things. > > > Not sure I follow.. how is updating the handbook breaking anything? > > Both configurations (regular file and symlink) work just fine, and > sys-libs/timezone-data supports them. I don't see a good reason why we > would suddenly declare the regular file to be an invalid option. https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914 seems to imply for some upstreams, it being a file is not a valid option anymore? (I'm ignoring the logic of that decision of course, but this was the original reason this was raised.) -A > > Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Alec Warner wrote: >> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things. > Not sure I follow.. how is updating the handbook breaking anything? Both configurations (regular file and symlink) work just fine, and sys-libs/timezone-data supports them. I don't see a good reason why we would suddenly declare the regular file to be an invalid option. Ulrich signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:19 PM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, William Hubbs wrote: > > > /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in > > /usr/share/zoneinfo. > > > This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using > > an initramfs. The only time it doesn't work is if /usr is separate > > without using an initramfs. > > > Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without > > an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet. > > Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things. Not sure I follow.. how is updating the handbook breaking anything? -A > > Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, William Hubbs wrote: > /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in > /usr/share/zoneinfo. > This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using > an initramfs. The only time it doesn't work is if /usr is separate > without using an initramfs. > Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without > an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet. Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things. Ulrich signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:04:06PM +0100, Nils Freydank wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > Am Samstag, den 20.03.2021 um 16:37:23 Uhr +0100 schrieb "Andreas K. Huettel" > : > > [...] > > Does anyone remember the reason for 1) ? Or is that lost in history? > > I just quote comment 3 from the linked bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914#c3: > "copying the zonefile to /etc/localtime is a good idea, as /usr could be on a > separate partition. How about creating the > > /etc/TZ -> /etc/timezone softlink by default?" > > In my opinion so many tools tend to expect an always-mounted /usr that the > symlink would not do any harm. FWIW I use symlinks on a handfull Gentoo > machines > and had no issues in years, but I'm pretty close to mainstream (amd64, glibc, > OpenRC). I'm not sure which symlink you are talking about, so I am adding my comments here. /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in /usr/share/zoneinfo. This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using an initramfs. The only time it doesn't work is if /usr is separate without using an initramfs. Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet. William signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
Hi Andreas, Am Samstag, den 20.03.2021 um 16:37:23 Uhr +0100 schrieb "Andreas K. Huettel" : > [...] > Does anyone remember the reason for 1) ? Or is that lost in history? I just quote comment 3 from the linked bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914#c3: "copying the zonefile to /etc/localtime is a good idea, as /usr could be on a separate partition. How about creating the /etc/TZ -> /etc/timezone softlink by default?" In my opinion so many tools tend to expect an always-mounted /usr that the symlink would not do any harm. FWIW I use symlinks on a handfull Gentoo machines and had no issues in years, but I'm pretty close to mainstream (amd64, glibc, OpenRC). Best regards, Nils signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] timezone configuration - why copying, not symlinking /etc/localtime ?
Hi all, why do we *copy* the timezone file to /etc/localtime, instead of symlinking it like everyone else? 1) Our handbook recommends: echo "Europe/Brussels" > /etc/timezone emerge --config sys-libs/timezone-data which is effectively doing echo "Europe/Brussels" > /etc/timezone cp -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Brussels /etc/localtime 2) Most other distros seem to just do ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Brussels /etc/localtime and use the link content as timezone name (this is also what is required by systemd). Does anyone remember the reason for 1) ? Or is that lost in history? Cheers, Andreas PS See also bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914 , where support for 1) was removed from Qt. -- Andreas K. Hüttel dilfri...@gentoo.org Gentoo Linux developer (council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)
[gentoo-dev] Package up for grabs: x11-misc/menumaker
Hey, the following package is up for grabs: x11-misc/menumaker 1 bug open, and in addition: PythonCompatUpdate: version 0.99.12: PYTHON_COMPAT update available: python3_9 -- juippis OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
