Re: [gentoo-dev] no more time for SynCE
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 11:35 +0200, Angelo Arrifano wrote: > On Seg, 2011-04-11 at 17:33 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 04/11/2011 03:01 AM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > > > [2] https://synce.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/synce/dist/gentoo > Hello, > > I want to help in sanitizing the overlay and bring the ebuilds into > portage. We can see that next weekend if you have the time. > > Regards, Hi & thanks, contact the SynCE devs on sourceforge or via synce-de...@lists.sourceforge.net to get write access, I'm sure they would be pleased. If the current version is in the tree, then most of the overlay can be removed, with perhaps the exception of synce-kpm and synce-gnome. I won't be around the next couple of weekends but I'm happy to respond to emails when I can, if I can help. -- Iain Buchanan
[gentoo-dev] no more time for SynCE
Hi, Since I posted about looking for help[1] I'm sad to say I've barely touched SynCE. Family commitments have changed, and I'm studying again for the degree I started 10 years ago! I'm therefore asking to be removed as the proxy for Synce. Hopefully this means it won't die in Gentoo :) Massive thanks to everyone who helped with my bad ebuild programming and testing along the way - volker, mescalinum, ssuominen, the SynCE team and everyone else. The original testing overlay remains here[2] for anyone who wants to take it over, just contact the SynCE dev team. If there are any questions please cc me directly as I may not be on the -dev list much more. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/69230 [2] https://synce.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/synce/dist/gentoo many thanks! -- Iain Buchanan
[gentoo-dev] SynCE
Hey all :) I emailed a while back about SynCE being hardmasked in the tree since I'm the proxy and the dev in now inactive. There was some small offer for support which hasn't turned out to much, so I'm still looking for a dev to check over and commit the latest version so that it doesn't disappear forever (or some amount of time)! It took a long time to get it into the tree and it would be a shame to loose it again. So, anyone interested? I'm making slow progress on the ebuilds in the overlay - http://synce.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/synce/dist/gentoo/synce-wm5-layman.xml 0.15 is mostly hacked together, now I just need to go through quality, dependancies, bugs, etc. thanks in advance & any comments welcome. -- Iain Buchanan
Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite app-pda/*synce*
Hi, On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 18:48 -0100, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > there was a very recent thread in this ml about these packages and the > conclusion was that they fall to the pda herd. The proxy-user also asked > for help and showed interest in working to become a developer. FYI work fluctuates for me - this and next week is busy (limited/no updates from me), then I have some free time again. Finding a new maintainer would be easiest, I've almost finished SynCE 0.15; becoming a dev would obviously take longer. Happy to hear suggestions, -- Iain Buchanan Man must shape his tools lest they shape him. -- Arthur R. Miller
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: re-assigning SynCE bugs to me
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 01:12 +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 23:59:36 + > Markos Chandras wrote: > > > > I noticed you've reassigned a bunch of SynCE bugs to me > > > mescalinum is being retired due to extensive inactivity > > In that case, with no committer, it ought to be either a herd or > maintainer-needed. thanks guys. Or maybe I should look at that quiz again ;) What's the required involvement? 1 commit a month? Would it be worthwhile or more likely to just find another maintainer? (I notice the pda herd is quite light on). thanks, -- Iain Buchanan Brain fried -- Core dumped
[gentoo-dev] re-assigning SynCE bugs to me
Hi hwoarang, I noticed you've reassigned a bunch of SynCE bugs to me (which is fine, since I guess I'm the meta...) but I was wondering if there was some request from mescalinum, or if you're just being proactive? I haven't heard from him for a while, so I might be without a dev to commit any fixes I can make anyway. thanks, -- Iain Buchanan
Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki
Hi, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:45:32 -0500 Mark Loeser<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What are others feelings on this? What issues do you see with having a wiki? Do you see anyway to resolve the issue you see with us having a wiki? What will policy on articles that are horribly dangerous or outright wrong? see my previous email - wikipedia looks like they're writing a robot to deal with "Articles that need attention"[1]. We could do the same, there's nothing stopping us from deleting "really bad" pages. (archives are always available for someone who wants to revive and improve them). There's also the huge amount of "Cleanup tags"[2] which I really like (the principle, not the huge amount). We could tailor this however we wanted. > Is Gentoo prepared to block or warn about articles that recommend > stupid things? I think we definitely should. Someone needs to discover that the article does so first! > If a warning is used, what will be used to distinguish > between a generic "wiki, not necessarily checked by sane people" and a > "article known to be horrible"? Cleanup tags! One for each. Nice notice written at the top of the article saying exactly what you've said. The problem with wikis is that enough of them contain enough good information that people assume that all of them are entirely correct. sure, but isn't that similar to, say, a forum? Even if warnings are used, the assumption is often "well I was warned about another article too and that turned out OK so I can ignore the warning". sure, some users are idiots :) Better idiot proofing doesn't protect you - it only creates better idiots. (I don't have a reference for this one). And whilst it might be OK for some people to say "well, we warned you, so tough luck", it makes life very difficult for developers who end up having to deal with hordes of users with broken systems... I agree "tough luck" might be a response by some, so the user will go to the next person to help. I don't think this would necessarily fall back to developers. Just like forums, mailing lists and the current wiki, there is good and bad advice. From my experience on the gentoo-user list, bad advice generally gets noticed and corrected reasonably quickly. Even big stuffups (oops I unmerged python) are helped. There is a good culture on the user list which still calls an idiot an idiot. The common one being people using ~ARCH on a remote production box, then complaining it broke for a ~ related reason, adding that they have no physical access (it happens often enough). The usual response is "you shouldn't have done it, you were warned, here's how to fix it". I see no problem with this. > it makes life very difficult for developers > who end up having to deal with hordes of users with broken systems... The only place where I could see specific developer loading, is users who take their problems as a result of following bad advice to bugzilla. I wouldn't expect the hordes would go there first... Anyway, the wiki exists with all it's "bad advice" already. Making it official would only improve it and hence "reduce developer loading", IMHO. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cleanup_resources cya, -- Iain Buchanan Only great masters of style can succeed in being obtuse. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [gentoo-dev] An official Gentoo wiki
Mark Loeser wrote: So, gentoo-wiki.com went down for a awhile and took something away from our users something that is useful. Its back now, but I think we should consider having our own official wiki that our users can contribute to. We already have something very similar to this on the forums, and this would just give the correct tool to put their documentation on. I already know some people are going to hate this idea and say that the documentation could be wrong, etc, so lets look at how others have handled this situation. [snip] IMHO, the old gentoo-wiki (don't know if the new one will address it) does let you down when pages are out of date. The solution I like is the wikipedia idea: There is a tag for marking pages as outdated / inaccurate, and if a page has the outdated tag for too long it's removed / archived. Much like treecleaning! -- Iain Buchanan You know you're using the computer too much when: refer to traffic lights as routers. -- C J Pro
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Testing is not a valid reason to package.mask
Ryan Hill wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:24:35 +0200 Jeroen Roovers<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please people, if you want to get something tested, then don't mask it. Um... no? One thing that package.mask has always been used for is temporarily masking a package until it can be tested and then unleashed on the general population. I think there's "testing" and "testing", and we're getting confused between the two :) The testing cycle with packages that you know will badly break something, usually involves test, patch, test, patch, etc. During which the package is masked for good reason (the reason specified in package.mask) and certain users may unmask for whatever reason (helping to test, etc). Then once you're happy to unleash it on ~arch, it still requires some amount of testing, but generally isn't "may delete all your data" testing. It's not like we're putting masked stuff in the tree with the hope that someone will find it and try it out. You mask a package, ask the user or whoever to test it, and unmask it when it's ready. We don't just throw untested stuff into the tree when we suspect problems with it. ~arch is not a playground. Already one of the major complaints we see against Gentoo time and time again is that it breaks too often and the maintenance burden is too high. Why would we want to exacerbate that? But this isn't a complaint against ~arch surely? The general feeling I get from gentoo-user when someone complains about an ~arch "production box" or "remote system" that broke, is "well, what did you expect from ~arch?" We don't /want/ ~arch systems to get "automatically widely exposed to the stuff we're intending to get tested". No, not "delete all your data" testing, but yes you do want it exposed to "may still be slightly quirky" testing. That's the whole point of masking it! We want it tested by a few people before we expose it to the unwashed masses. I would assume the unwashed masses are arch, not ~arch. If you're installing ~arch: "~arch keyword means that the application is not tested sufficiently to be put in the stable branch" [1] "We recommend that you only use the stable branch. However, if you don't care about stability this much..." [1] "The testing branch is exactly what it says - Testing. If a package is in testing, it means that the developers feel that it is functional but has not been thoroughly tested. You could very well be the first to discover a bug in the package in which case you could file a bugreport to let the developers know about it. Beware though, you might notice stability issues, imperfect package handling (for instance wrong/missing dependencies), too frequent updates (resulting in lots of building) or broken packages. If you do not know how Gentoo works and how to solve problems, we recommend that you stick with the stable and tested branch." [1] So, no, I'll continue using package.mask for testing just as it always has been. Sorry. All IMHO from a user point of view, of course. [1] Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/ cya, -- Iain Buchanan fenderberg, n.: The large glacial deposits that form on the insides of car fenders during snowstorms. -- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & Friends
Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Bo Ørsted Andresen (zlin)
On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 14:28 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: > He has been breaking the tree for a while now but as Calchan has been > having availability problems I get to insult him a little bit later than > usual. Bo hails from Aalborg, Denmark. He studies to become a control > engineer. On the Gentoo side he is one of the people who enabled KDE4 > coming to our main tree via contributing to their overlays. He has also > contributed to Paludis. Let the usual mud slinging begin. > > Regards, > Petteri zlin: I can't officially welcome you as I'm not on the "inside", so "good evening" ;) -- Iain Buchanan Let he who takes the plunge remember to return it by Tuesday. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] looking for a mentor
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 03:33 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: > Iain Buchanan kirjoitti: > > > > jsin is a bit busy (and not at 6 months yet) so he can't mentor me, > > although he still offers help as time permits. I would therefore like > > to see if anyone wants to volunteer their mentoring prowess to get me to > > developer status :) > > > > I presume no-one has yet contacted Iain. I asked him to mail this > message to the mailing list in the hopes of finding a mentor for him. It > would really help Gentoo if devs would actively pick up new recruits. If > you need any help with mentoring etc don't hesitate to contact us. We > even have a doc to get mentors started: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/recruiters/mentor.xml actually I had philantrop offer (many thanks, will get back to you ASAP) and 2 or 3 comments on IRC (thanks also :) I was going to reply when I'd said OK to philantrop, and he'd said OK to my OK, but I got stuck in an infinite loop... > Regards, > Petteri > -- > Recruiters lead thanks, -- Iain Buchanan Politics makes strange bedfellows, and journalism makes strange politics. -- Amy Gorin -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] looking for a mentor
Hi all, I've been talking with jsin about becoming a dev, specifically to help with SynCE. I'm working on ebuilds for a major update, which are mostly done, except for a couple of niggling problems. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178807 http://www.synce.org/moin/IainBuchanan jsin is a bit busy (and not at 6 months yet) so he can't mentor me, although he still offers help as time permits. I would therefore like to see if anyone wants to volunteer their mentoring prowess to get me to developer status :) I've done the quiz (a couple of small holes), and I've read the developer handbook and various other bits of doco around the web. I'm active in gentoo-user, and recently I've been silently watching gentoo-dev gentoo-project and gentoo-dev-announce. Oh, and I've been using for about ... 4 or 5 years. I'm also usually on Freenode as iaindb. Feel free to ask me any questions. many thanks, -- Iain Buchanan "If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything. If you don't stand for something, you don't stand for anything." George W. Bush November 2, 2000 Quoted by the Austin American-Statesman. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey; releng related
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:30 -0600, Brent Baude wrote: > If the topic of frequent releases is put onto the survey, I would like > to know what users anticipate as part of the new releases because new > releases are based on the tree itself. It has been a while since I have > used a binary distribution, but when I did, I looked forward to new > releases because new versions of X and Y were generally tied to it; > which is not usually the case with Gentoo except where profiles dictate > that. Is the motivation for more releases in part the expectation of > more features? If so, also collecting their suggestions for a features > list would be helpful. There is a thread on gentoo-user currently. It started out about the GWN, but it's been hijacked to talk about the install CD. If you want to know what / why users want the install CD, then read some of the comments from here on: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/192742 -- Iain Buchanan Bob Barker: "Which one of these lovely womanoids will take home atomic tiara?" -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Beyond the users, doing a developer census
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 04:49 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > - How much time do you spend working on Gentoo? Is that "using", "developing for", or "developing with"? -- Iain Buchanan Bower's Law: Talent goes where the action is. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
