[gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
"Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:31:50 -0800: > My usability design range in testing this spans: 1024x768 to 1680x1050, > at both 72dpi and 100dpi. However it seems that I didn't take into > account fonts that render extremely small :-(. Even 100 DPI is a bit coarse. Modern CRTs seem to standardize at 120 DPI or so, or at least that's what I've seen (21-22", 1600x1200 recommended resolution, matching shadow-mask), tho I guess LCDs are only 100 DPI or so high end (I just looked up the 30" 2560x1600 Apple Cinemas I've been wanting, but that are still out of my price range, 3-4 grand US for a pair). @ that 120 DPI, minimum operational font-point is 8-9 pt or so, here. I have elements of my GUI set to 8 pt, tho I prefer 11 pt for comfortable web viewing. I'd certainly not call 10 pt extremely small -- that's 6-7 pt! =8^) And yes, as I said, I have the issue with the logo overrunning the text here too. =8^( -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 10:57:04PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote:
> Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > Having small fonts isn't common, at least not amongst folk that I've
> > directly observed in usability testing. Having text at sizes that don't
> > strain the eyes is more common.
> It doesn't seem unreasonable that the site be readable despite the font
> size. The logo overlaps the text at any point size under 16, at least in
> my browser, which is quite big. My screenshot was with size 12, which is
> what I use everywhere and I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't know anything
> about HTML but is it possible to set a minimum font size or force it to 16?
DPI (dot pitch to the metric world) makes a big difference here.
Your screenshot, displayed on my system, is hard to read, and I still
have 20/20 eyesight.
For my normal use, I use Bitstream Vera {,Sans,Mon}, 12pt (minimum
enforced), 100dpi, 1586x994 (1680x1050 screen, but my browser is the
aforementioned size).
> Moving the text in the middle column down so it begins under the logo
> would also work, wouldn't it? All of our other pages (except b.g.o)
> have either the plain purple banner or black banner with links across
> the top, and it works fine there. Is there some reason it can't be
> done here also?
ViewCVS, glsamaker, bugday, there are plenty that don't have the banner.
For a site that needs to provide dense information, I actually strongly
dislike the waste of space that is the black area at the top of g.o, but
I'll try to come up with a more compact version.
My usability design range in testing this spans:
1024x768 to 1680x1050, at both 72dpi and 100dpi.
However it seems that I didn't take into account fonts that render
extremely small :-(.
I'll try to make a smaller logo with the SVG that nightmorph pointed
out.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Having small fonts isn't common, at least not amongst folk that I've > directly observed in usability testing. Having text at sizes that don't > strain the eyes is more common. It doesn't seem unreasonable that the site be readable despite the font size. The logo overlaps the text at any point size under 16, at least in my browser, which is quite big. My screenshot was with size 12, which is what I use everywhere and I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't know anything about HTML but is it possible to set a minimum font size or force it to 16? > CSS 'min-width' isn't usable, because it interferes with the rest of the > layout, and the folks with tiny fonts then have a massive gap between > their text, and the middle column. > What the actual solution is, is a narrower logo. I've been > asking and looking, but have not yet found, a version of the logo > without the spotlight effect on the background. Moving the text in the middle column down so it begins under the logo would also work, wouldn't it? All of our other pages (except b.g.o) have either the plain purple banner or black banner with links across the top, and it works fine there. Is there some reason it can't be done here also? -- looks like christmas at fifty-five degrees this latitude weakens my knees EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 (0xF9A40662) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Joe Peterson schrieb: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > One idea for improvement, however, might be to spell the archs > veritcally, thereby easily letting all archs be viewable across one page > (even perhaps by default). It would help to boast our many arch support. Heh, well I think the devs are used to this view as that's what you get when you want to see keywords of packages. also try your suggestion with packages like wine... Though I like the spirit of new ideas. Greetz -Jokey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:12:46PM -0800, Josh Saddler wrote: >> Robin H. Johnson wrote: >>> There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main >>> gentoo.org site. >> But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the >> other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the >> top)? Right now there's zero integration with the gentoo.org site, and >> even the old p.g.o had at least minimal integration with the other parts >> of our site. >> >> . . . or should this be filed in a p.g.o bug. > File it. Done. See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199174 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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> But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the > other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the > top)? Right now there's zero integration with the gentoo.org site, and > even the old p.g.o had at least minimal integration with the other parts > of our site. I agree with Josh. It would also be nice to have the same footer as on other Gentoo pages. The current footer extends only across the right-side portion of the page, which looks a bit weird when you scroll all the way down. -- Anant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:12:46PM -0800, Josh Saddler wrote: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main > > gentoo.org site. > But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the > other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the > top)? Right now there's zero integration with the gentoo.org site, and > even the old p.g.o had at least minimal integration with the other parts > of our site. > > . . . or should this be filed in a p.g.o bug. File it. Plenty of the Gentoo services don't have such a navbar on them. I have all my Gentoo links in my actual browser navbar, so I don't feel they need to be duplicated on the webpage. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer & Infra Guy E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpDiNnPoGars.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Good point! Thanks. Short packages2 TODO list This is not the comprehensive version of the TODO list. That may be found in the /todo/ directory of the source code. * "Search": match a given string against: a substring in packages names, and description On Nov 14, 2007 11:22 AM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11:13 Wed 14 Nov , Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: > > Thanks a lot for the great work! > > > > I'm just wondering how to search for a specific package. Is that possible? > > Please read the entire FAQ [1] before asking any questions, as Robin > said in his original post. > > Thanks, > Donnie > > 1. http://packages.gentoo.org/faq/ > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- Ioannis Aslanidis 0xB9B11F4E -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On 11:13 Wed 14 Nov , Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: > Thanks a lot for the great work! > > I'm just wondering how to search for a specific package. Is that possible? Please read the entire FAQ [1] before asking any questions, as Robin said in his original post. Thanks, Donnie 1. http://packages.gentoo.org/faq/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Thanks a lot for the great work! I'm just wondering how to search for a specific package. Is that possible? On Nov 14, 2007 10:55 AM, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mittwoch, 14. November 2007, Josh Saddler wrote: > > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > > There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main > > > gentoo.org site. > > > > But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the > > other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the > > top)? > > Yeah, I think so, too. It's also looking ugly the way it is know. > > > Nevertheless, nice to have p.g.o back. Thanks. > > > Carsten > > > -- Ioannis Aslanidis 0xB9B11F4E -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
On Mittwoch, 14. November 2007, Josh Saddler wrote: > Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main > > gentoo.org site. > > But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the > other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the > top)? Yeah, I think so, too. It's also looking ugly the way it is know. Nevertheless, nice to have p.g.o back. Thanks. Carsten signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Robin H. Johnson wrote: > There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main > gentoo.org site. But shouldn't there be some sort of area at the top with links to the other parts of the site, as the other pages do (the navstrip across the top)? Right now there's zero integration with the gentoo.org site, and even the old p.g.o had at least minimal integration with the other parts of our site. . . . or should this be filed in a p.g.o bug. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:14:57 -0600: >> Please read the entire FAQ before asking any questions! >> http://packages.gentoo.org/faq/ > > Does this count as a rendering bug? Seems to be missing the > black/purple banner bit. > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~dirtyepic/misc/pgologo.png FWIW, I get a similar effect in Konqueror (3.5.8), so it's not just FF. Congrats in any case. I was just missing it the other day, trying to figure out what a missing linux-headers revision changelog entry was supposed to be before I upgraded the package. I eventually dug it out of viewcvs, but meanwhile, I was missing the packages.gentoo notes. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 10:14:57PM -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > > Please read the entire FAQ before asking any questions! > > http://packages.gentoo.org/faq/ > Does this count as a rendering bug? Seems to be missing the > black/purple banner bit. > http://dev.gentoo.org/~dirtyepic/misc/pgologo.png Not a rendering bug per se, but the smallness of your font shows that we need a much narrower version of the logo. There isn't meant to be the big black area at the top like, the main gentoo.org site. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer & Infra Guy E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpw3NllsmRvN.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: packages.gentoo.org lives!
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > After a LOT of development, Gentoo Infra is pleased to announce the > return of the new packages.gentoo.org site. The new site is a complete > rewrite. Yay! Nice work guys. > Please read the entire FAQ before asking any questions! > http://packages.gentoo.org/faq/ Does this count as a rendering bug? Seems to be missing the black/purple banner bit. http://dev.gentoo.org/~dirtyepic/misc/pgologo.png -- looks like christmas at fifty-five degrees this latitude weakens my knees EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 (0xF9A40662) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
