[gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2009-01-06 Thread Ryan Hill
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:12:23 +0100
Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it wrote:

 I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo
 inside /var/lib. Currently we have this situation (at least on my
 system):
 
 /var/lib/eselect
 /var/lib/gentoo/enews
 /var/lib/herdstat/
 /var/lib/module-rebuild
 /var/lib/portage

/var/lib/wxwidgets is also gentoo/eselect specific FWIW.

 The main dir should be something like /var/lib/gentoo, so I'd see all 
 gentoo-related files as
 
 /var/lib/gentoo/eselect
 /var/lib/gentoo/enews
 /var/lib/gentoo/herdstat/
 /var/lib/gentoo/module-rebuild
 /var/lib/gentoo/portage
 
 What do you think about?

i kinda like it how it is.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote:

 Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be
 used on/for other distributions and platforms as well.

Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other 
distributions.

 Few/none of the other apps, regardless of which distribution they started
 on, are in directories based on distribution name, I don't believe it
 fits FHS (as genone pointed out), and while there may be reasons to break
 standards on occasion, they need to be pretty good to justify the hassle
 and confusion, and frankly, I just don't see this as being that good.

Honestly the current situation is a little confused, this is the reason of my 
proposal. Until those applications are used *only* inside gentoo I wouldn't 
bother about FHS because it has been thought to uniform the filesystem 
between all the distribution on the market and this makes sense when you have 
*common* application installed.

 Portage is certainly a candidate for other distributions/platforms, and
 eselect and genkernel (I guess that's what owns module-rebuild?) could be
 as well, particularly on Gentoo based distributions.

module-rebuild is a standalone package supported also by linux-mod.eclass. Its 
purpose is the recompilation of modules after a kernel upgrade. It's also 
true that this utility might be substituted (with portage 2.1.6.4) with 
$(emerge /lib/modules).

 Herdstat doesn't appear to be in the Gentoo tree any longer, so that can
 be eliminated from the list.

Yes, you're right.

 Even the one that's currently under gentoo, enews, arguably doesn't
 belong there, since I see files from other overlays there, and some
 overlays are independent and may be in fact ultimately targeted primarily
 at distributions other than Gentoo.

I suppose that someone was thinking about collecting all gentoo related files 
in a common place when /var/lib/gentoo/news was introduced.

Fabio



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Jeremy Olexa

Fabio Rossi wrote:

On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote:


Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be
used on/for other distributions and platforms as well.


Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other 
distributions.


sabayon doesn't use these apps? How about gentoo based livecds, etc. ?

-Jeremy



[gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Duncan
Jeremy Olexa darks...@gentoo.org posted 495b81ab.3040...@gentoo.org,
excerpted below, on  Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:28:59 -0600:

 Fabio Rossi wrote:
 On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote:
 
 Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically
 be used on/for other distributions and platforms as well.
 
 Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other
 distributions.
 
 sabayon doesn't use these apps? How about gentoo based livecds, etc. ?

I was thinking of sabayon but couldn't remember the name.  All I could 
think of was exherbo... which AFAIK does use at least eselect (I've seen 
it mentioned) and I'd guess news also, given the person who was the big 
push behind the GLEP.

... But IMO the entire debate is a bunch of bikeshedding, which implies 
it's reasonably safe to assume the status quo is likely to remain.  But 
of course that didn't stop me from offering my opinion, turquoise with 
aquamarine stripes! =;^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Fabio Rossi
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Fabio Rossi wrote:
  On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote:
  Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be
  used on/for other distributions and platforms as well.
 
  Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to other
  distributions.

 sabayon doesn't use these apps? How about gentoo based livecds, etc. ?

Ok, you're right. But I wasn't speaking about gentoo-based distributions...

Fabio



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
Duncan wrote:
 ... But IMO the entire debate is a bunch of bikeshedding, which implies 
 it's reasonably safe to assume the status quo is likely to remain.

I agree. The proposal does not seem to offer any real improvement that
would be noticeable either by end users or Gentoo developers. Looks like
it would be too much effort for so little gain.

But in the end it is bikeshedding, and I don't really care.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Marius Mauch
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:15:54 +0100
Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it wrote:

 On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
  Fabio Rossi wrote:
   On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Duncan wrote:
   Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could
   technically be used on/for other distributions and platforms as
   well.
  
   Yes, this is the theory but I think they'll be never ported to
   other distributions.
 
  sabayon doesn't use these apps? How about gentoo based livecds,
  etc. ?
 
 Ok, you're right. But I wasn't speaking about gentoo-based
 distributions...

Well, a few people have actually been using portage on rpm-based distros
as well in the past. Granted that was usually quite a hack and required
a few modifications, but it might not be as impossible as you think.



[gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-30 Thread Duncan
Fabio Rossi ross...@inwind.it posted
200812310112.24019.ross...@inwind.it, excerpted below, on  Wed, 31 Dec
2008 01:12:23 +0100:

 I'm proposing to reorganize the files related to Gentoo inside /var/lib.
 Currently we have this situation (at least on my system):
 
 /var/lib/eselect
 /var/lib/gentoo/enews
 /var/lib/herdstat/
 /var/lib/module-rebuild
 /var/lib/portage
 
 The main dir should be something like /var/lib/gentoo [...]

Except that... in theory, some or all of those apps could technically be 
used on/for other distributions and platforms as well.

Few/none of the other apps, regardless of which distribution they started 
on, are in directories based on distribution name, I don't believe it 
fits FHS (as genone pointed out), and while there may be reasons to break 
standards on occasion, they need to be pretty good to justify the hassle 
and confusion, and frankly, I just don't see this as being that good.

Portage is certainly a candidate for other distributions/platforms, and 
eselect and genkernel (I guess that's what owns module-rebuild?) could be 
as well, particularly on Gentoo based distributions.

Herdstat doesn't appear to be in the Gentoo tree any longer, so that can 
be eliminated from the list.

Even the one that's currently under gentoo, enews, arguably doesn't 
belong there, since I see files from other overlays there, and some 
overlays are independent and may be in fact ultimately targeted primarily 
at distributions other than Gentoo.

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and if you use the program, he is your master.  Richard Stallman