Re: [gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
29.05.2013 03:01, David Carlos Manuelda пишет: > El Martes, 28 de mayo de 2013 14:03:52 Mike Frysinger escribió: >> On Tuesday 28 May 2013 13:53:54 Michał Górny wrote: >>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:43:10 +0200 David Carlos Manuelda wrote: I posted a bug about that along with a suggestion, despite sometimes I do not explain myself correctly (I am very sorry): bug #471590 Many packages are bundling its own libraries rather than link against system ones, and there is a bug tracker for that (bug #251464) [...] What I propose for example, is a very good and simple approach: to have an option in portage's make.conf, something like that (the name may change): 1.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="cairo sqlite XXX" 2.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="* -cairo" 3.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="*" >>> >>> I don't think we should do it like this. >>> >>> Bundling libraries is a pathological case. In general, we should work >>> on fixing this and getting rid of bundled libraries. In that general >>> case, the flags are not required. >> >> +1 >> -mike > Ok, thinking it better I agree, that having them use system libraries is far > better, but why then those affected ebuilds have corresponding USE disabled > by > default? > How do you imaging use of system library( called "foo", for example) if foo, bundled in program(called "bar", for same reason :-)) is fork with new features that is suitable only for "bar"? It's ideal situation when "bar" works also with system "foo"(not all features works, however). Sometimes(and it happens very often, to be honest) "bar" can not work with system "foo" at all! For example, look at quake3-1.36-r1.ebuild, at commented "use system jpeg" patch. If you uncomment it, quake3 will be built against system jpeg. It will build successfully, but textures will be a big mess of polygons. So, unfortunately, it's not even an option here, unless somebody will do a great work for splitting this library and write a huge patch, that will be totally rejected by upstream(so he will have to maintain this patch on his own). -- Best regards, Sergey Popov Gentoo developer Gentoo Desktop Effects project lead Gentoo Qt project lead signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, David Carlos Manuelda wrote: > Ok, thinking it better I agree, that having them use system libraries is far > better, but why then those affected ebuilds have corresponding USE disabled by > default? Probably because the use of those system libraries is experimental. If they worked reliably most likely the maintainer would have stripped the bundled library completely and not made it optional. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
El Martes, 28 de mayo de 2013 14:03:52 Mike Frysinger escribió: > On Tuesday 28 May 2013 13:53:54 Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:43:10 +0200 David Carlos Manuelda wrote: > > > I posted a bug about that along with a suggestion, despite sometimes I > > > do > > > not explain myself correctly (I am very sorry): bug #471590 > > > > > > Many packages are bundling its own libraries rather than link against > > > system ones, and there is a bug tracker for that (bug #251464) > > > [...] > > > What I propose for example, is a very good and simple approach: to have > > > an option in portage's make.conf, something like that (the name may > > > change): > > > > > > 1.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="cairo sqlite XXX" > > > 2.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="* -cairo" > > > 3.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="*" > > > > I don't think we should do it like this. > > > > Bundling libraries is a pathological case. In general, we should work > > on fixing this and getting rid of bundled libraries. In that general > > case, the flags are not required. > > +1 > -mike Ok, thinking it better I agree, that having them use system libraries is far better, but why then those affected ebuilds have corresponding USE disabled by default? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
On Tuesday 28 May 2013 13:53:54 Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:43:10 +0200 David Carlos Manuelda wrote: > > I posted a bug about that along with a suggestion, despite sometimes I do > > not explain myself correctly (I am very sorry): bug #471590 > > > > Many packages are bundling its own libraries rather than link against > > system ones, and there is a bug tracker for that (bug #251464) > > [...] > > What I propose for example, is a very good and simple approach: to have > > an option in portage's make.conf, something like that (the name may > > change): > > > > 1.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="cairo sqlite XXX" > > 2.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="* -cairo" > > 3.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="*" > > I don't think we should do it like this. > > Bundling libraries is a pathological case. In general, we should work > on fixing this and getting rid of bundled libraries. In that general > case, the flags are not required. +1 -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:43:10 +0200 David Carlos Manuelda wrote: > I posted a bug about that along with a suggestion, despite sometimes I do not > explain myself correctly (I am very sorry): bug #471590 > > Many packages are bundling its own libraries rather than link against system > ones, and there is a bug tracker for that (bug #251464) > [...] > What I propose for example, is a very good and simple approach: to have an > option in portage's make.conf, something like that (the name may change): > > 1.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="cairo sqlite XXX" > 2.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="* -cairo" > 3.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="*" I don't think we should do it like this. Bundling libraries is a pathological case. In general, we should work on fixing this and getting rid of bundled libraries. In that general case, the flags are not required. The remaining cases usually involve libraries that are somehow forked or otherwise deviated from upstream. For example, the sqlite within Mozilla products has a few braindead features enabled that are not really suitable for system-wide use. In those cases, every library needs to be considered separately and the concept of local flag matches that. Making it anyhow a global matter would suggest that each bundled sqlite is equal and each reason for bundling is exact the same. That said, I don't see why a user would want to choose to have some libraries bundled, and others not in a global manner. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Better handling of USE flags to enable/disable system libraries
I posted a bug about that along with a suggestion, despite sometimes I do not
explain myself correctly (I am very sorry): bug #471590
Many packages are bundling its own libraries rather than link against system
ones, and there is a bug tracker for that (bug #251464)
As I saw in many ebuilds, it is fixed by putting a new "system-{$LIBRARY}"
IUSE in the affected ebuilds to enable/disable linking with external or
bundled library, but there are plenty of libraries and packages out there to
pullute the use's config files with several combinations of that USE flags.
What I propose here, is to simplify the process a lot by handling those
system-{$LIBRARY} USE flags internally with a very simple configuration for
the user, rather than expose the USE flag directly and forcing user to save
all combinations for that purpose.
This request/idea is inspired on how the x86_ABI is handled:
As a comparison only, most packages have 32 and 64, and you don't have to
handle them via USE flag per-package, rather, you have an option in make.conf
to set it all of them automatically.
What I propose for example, is a very good and simple approach: to have an
option in portage's make.conf, something like that (the name may change):
1.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="cairo sqlite XXX"
2.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="* -cairo"
3.- USE_SYSTEM_LIBRARIES="*"
Case explanation:
1.- Will trigger automatically (and enable) USE flags: system-cairo, system-
sqlite and system-XXX
2.- Will trigger all system-* related USE except system-cairo which will be
disabled
3.- Will trigger all system-* related USE variables with no exception.
I honestly think, it is a best aproach to resolve the library bundling, along
with a correct fix for affected ebuilds.
What do you think?
Thanks for taking your time to read this suggestion.
David Carlos Manuelda.
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