Re: [gentoo-dev] PowerPC Resources at OSU
Hello, There are multiple replies below. On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Thode wrote: > I have access to it (can spin up servers and whatnot), but it doesn't > sound like that's what you are looking for (needing a non-virtualized > system). What specific features are you looking for? > > Are you looking for rack space to put a donated IBM system in or what? > I'm not certian what you are looking for. > My apologies, I tried to be comprehensive in my original post but it may have come out confused. I felt as if I did something bad and was trying to make sure I told someone right away, like my parents taught me. I am looking to verify that my request for shipping reimbursement could not be made superfluous. It looks like physical access to a system is necessary to continue doing most of the novel things I am interested in. Firstly I want to interact with the system firmware. This may only be possible with POWER8 systems. With the failure of the TALOS workstation crowdfunding effort it looks like I will not be able to do this soon. I intend to see what I can do to reverse engineer the motherboard firmware on a donated Power6+ system if/when I receive it. Secondly I wish to instrument PowerKVM and the newer PowerPC hypervisor functions, specifically related to processor power management, processor configuration, and memory model. The user mode SIMD/decimal128 instructions are also extremely interesting. Lastly I would like to run a Tinderbox targeting ppc64(le) to try to follow up on some build failures I've been having. On the systems I have access to at the moment I have been caught up in prefix/RAP failures while trying to set up a development environment otherwise I would have started following up on my latter interests. A shell account on a ppc64le machine running Gentoo would likely be enough. It would save me a lot of time. Otherwise I can wait until I receive a donated Power6+ machine, some way or another. > I'm on irc (as prometheanfire) if you want to talk. > I will try to remember that, but unfortunately I have less time to be on IRC now. Setting up a bouncer is on my list and I will get to it. On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Have you seen this page on this wiki? > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Developer_Machines > > Did you reach out to anybody there for access? > No sir, my apologies for my confusion. I am not very smart and it has been hard to find information that might aid me in contributing to Gentoo. Much to my dismay useful information is usually available. I genuinely do not mean to ask useless questions. On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:30 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > As of a few months ago, we have two POWER8 guests, one big endian > (timberdoodle) and one little endian (bogsucker). We would just have > one but you can't mix big and little endian on the same system. > > After the old POWER7 timberdoodle died, I was responsible for creating > these new instances with some help from prometheanfire. Replacing > CentOS systems that had tied up all the storage from the other side of > the world with no direct raw access was an interesting challenge! > > I didn't intend to manage the systems long term though as I only use > them for building and testing Java stuff. I consider prometheanfire, > blueness, and vapier to be in charge though you may struggle getting > hold of the latter two. > > We generally only give access to devs but I am aware of one exception > we made for gnu_andrew, who works for Red Hat and provides our icedtea > ebuilds. Unfortunately I've only seen you on this list but hopefully > someone can vouch for you. I don't know whether these guests will be > suitable for your needs though. > I understand. Requesting resources on behalf of Gentoo was a line I was not willing to cross myself. It seems I misunderstood what desultory told me to do. The best I can offer is an explanation for what I wish to do and how it may end up impacting Gentoo in a positive way. Already my "work" (attempting to run bootstrap-rap.sh) on GCC112, GCC's ppc64le Linux system, has led to a number of bugs for the prefix and RAP projects. If I had use of a Gentoo ppc64le system I would likely be able to increase the stability of those architectures as I attempt to do normal things. This is the basis I used to request shipping reimbursement for a donated POWER6+ server. The tracker has some bugs I have submitted and others I have commented on (I would link to them but I haven't figured out how to find all bugs by me, or all bugs that I have commented on). There are people who would recognize my name but as I said before, now a line has been crossed. I do not want to make anyone feel like I am cornering them. Respectfully, R0b0t1
Re: [gentoo-dev] PowerPC Resources at OSU
On 9/12/17 4:30 PM, James Le Cuirot wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:29:10 -0500 > R0b0t1 wrote: > >> 1) May I have access to a/the POWER server, or some other suitable >> POWER resource? If not, >> 2) is anyone available to verify that I am associated with the project >> or that I will use the resources for project related work? >> >> My intent is to experiment with the PowerPC architecture, specifically >> features found on newer POWER processors and servers. It is unlikely I >> will ever get to do this on my own as the machines run $10k-$30k. I >> requested services from OSU because GCC was not able to accommodate my >> request for hypervisor access on their system. >> >> However, having finally found the resources I've been looking for this >> whole time, it looks like OSU's nodes are virtualized and won't be >> able to do exactly what I want anyway (i.e. the GCC sysadmin was >> misinformed), so I may have accidentally wasted people's time and >> potentially tarnished Gentoo's reputation. I will make amends as best >> I can. > > As of a few months ago, we have two POWER8 guests, one big endian > (timberdoodle) and one little endian (bogsucker). We would just have > one but you can't mix big and little endian on the same system. > > After the old POWER7 timberdoodle died, I was responsible for creating > these new instances with some help from prometheanfire. Replacing > CentOS systems that had tied up all the storage from the other side of > the world with no direct raw access was an interesting challenge! > > I didn't intend to manage the systems long term though as I only use > them for building and testing Java stuff. I consider prometheanfire, > blueness, and vapier to be in charge though you may struggle getting > hold of the latter two. > > We generally only give access to devs but I am aware of one exception > we made for gnu_andrew, who works for Red Hat and provides our icedtea > ebuilds. Unfortunately I've only seen you on this list but hopefully > someone can vouch for you. I don't know whether these guests will be > suitable for your needs though. > I've been using timberdoodle, but not bogsucker. I haven't been following this thread, but if its a question of maintaining those machines, I can help out with that. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail: bluen...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 1FED FAD9 D82C 52A5 3BAB DC79 9384 FA6E F52D 4BBA GnuPG ID : F52D4BBA
Re: [gentoo-dev] PowerPC Resources at OSU
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:29:10 -0500 R0b0t1 wrote: > 1) May I have access to a/the POWER server, or some other suitable > POWER resource? If not, > 2) is anyone available to verify that I am associated with the project > or that I will use the resources for project related work? > > My intent is to experiment with the PowerPC architecture, specifically > features found on newer POWER processors and servers. It is unlikely I > will ever get to do this on my own as the machines run $10k-$30k. I > requested services from OSU because GCC was not able to accommodate my > request for hypervisor access on their system. > > However, having finally found the resources I've been looking for this > whole time, it looks like OSU's nodes are virtualized and won't be > able to do exactly what I want anyway (i.e. the GCC sysadmin was > misinformed), so I may have accidentally wasted people's time and > potentially tarnished Gentoo's reputation. I will make amends as best > I can. As of a few months ago, we have two POWER8 guests, one big endian (timberdoodle) and one little endian (bogsucker). We would just have one but you can't mix big and little endian on the same system. After the old POWER7 timberdoodle died, I was responsible for creating these new instances with some help from prometheanfire. Replacing CentOS systems that had tied up all the storage from the other side of the world with no direct raw access was an interesting challenge! I didn't intend to manage the systems long term though as I only use them for building and testing Java stuff. I consider prometheanfire, blueness, and vapier to be in charge though you may struggle getting hold of the latter two. We generally only give access to devs but I am aware of one exception we made for gnu_andrew, who works for Red Hat and provides our icedtea ebuilds. Unfortunately I've only seen you on this list but hopefully someone can vouch for you. I don't know whether these guests will be suitable for your needs though. -- James Le Cuirot (chewi) Gentoo Linux Developer pgpGPbYbQF_Ah.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] PowerPC Resources at OSU
(Snip entire request explanation) Have you seen this page on this wiki? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Developer_Machines Did you reach out to anybody there for access? I do know that vapier hasn't been responding to emails, and I've granted some accounts to hake.hppa instead, since I do have root there. I can grant accounts on guppy as well if needed, but Infra does not generally have access to the machines (this has been a problem in the past for fixing issues with the machines hosted at OSUOSL). -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Asst. Treasurer E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85 GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[gentoo-dev] PowerPC Resources at OSU
Hello, (This will be almost a duplicate on the PPC list, but now having more information I am sending it to the BSD list as well.) I apologize in advance if I did anything improper. I misunderstood desultory when I asked him what to do earlier. Originally I was unwilling to try to associate myself with Gentoo for the purpose of this request but I wasn't referred to anyone who could fill out the form "for" me. Having requested OpenPOWER hosting from OSUOSL on Gentoo's behalf, I was informed that hosting is already provided to the project. Consequently I have two questions: 1) May I have access to a/the POWER server, or some other suitable POWER resource? If not, 2) is anyone available to verify that I am associated with the project or that I will use the resources for project related work? For any comment to OSU, such as to request closure of the ticket or that they go ahead with allocating the VM, please comment and I will forward the support ticket to you. My intent is to experiment with the PowerPC architecture, specifically features found on newer POWER processors and servers. It is unlikely I will ever get to do this on my own as the machines run $10k-$30k. I requested services from OSU because GCC was not able to accommodate my request for hypervisor access on their system. However, having finally found the resources I've been looking for this whole time, it looks like OSU's nodes are virtualized and won't be able to do exactly what I want anyway (i.e. the GCC sysadmin was misinformed), so I may have accidentally wasted people's time and potentially tarnished Gentoo's reputation. I will make amends as best I can. IBM is willing to fund a node for my use and OSU is willing to deploy it pending contact from Gentoo leadership. If there is a machine that already exists that I would not disrupt, I would have no problems working on existing resources instead if that seems reasonable. The GCC server(s) are probably adequate, however I am having lots of problems setting up a prefix on those systems because they use CentOS. I am trying to fix bugs as best as I am able but it is starting to look hopeless. Excess resources on the donated OSU OpenPOWER machine could be offered to other developers or used to run a Tinderbox. It may be a good idea to do those things on the already existing machine(s). Respectfully, R0b0t1