Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: Now I'm pissed off! Am I so stupid to build GCC3 now? Qemu can be build with GCC 4 (exc. 4.3.2). Im tired about complaining pseudo developers about taking some ideas not needed by anyone. I was too busy to try to complete a live ebuild or a recent snapshot ebuild, the qemu in portage has that shortcoming, please go and complain upstream for the lack of releases. Please try to not be that hot headed, try to calm a bit, check your facts before writing and kep in mind that: - you owe me already something since you are using my stuff, not the other way around - you aren't helping me lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo Council Member Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
On Qui, 2009-01-22 at 11:07 +, AllenJB wrote: > Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > > - No main packages updates. > Define "main packages". If there are packages you know to be out of > date, file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org > > > > - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom! > Yes, the loss of content on Gentoo Wiki was unfortunate. An offsite > backup system has now been put in place so this won't happen again on > the same scale. Others have scraped Google Cache for most of the old > content and put it up at http://gentoo-wiki.info. Many have been busy > working on articles on the new wiki and it is fast returning to its > former glory (it's even better in some respects IMO - the rewrite has > been an opportunity to correct some issues). > > > > - Portage blocks! - in 2005 there was no blocks, system was stable and > > working with max performance - now blocks are needed - WHY?! > Portage blockers did exist in 2005. What's more, as of portage 2.1.6, > most blocks are now resolved automatically. > > > > - Amd64 have oldest packages developed by devs (much don't work). > This is completely false. I use amd64 on most of my machines and the > only thing I have issues with is Flash - but that's certainly not the > fault of the Gentoo developers. I don't know if you are still using the 32bit version of Adobe's flash but if you are, I really recommend using the 64bit Flash 10. It has HUGE improvements in speed (it doesn't look I'm running flash anymore). It's only a alpha version but I find it more stable than previous versions: net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha It might also have a lot of security issues, I don't care though. I use flashblock to run trusted flash content only. Just my 2 cents, Greetings all. > > > > - GLI death! People used GLI! You write OS for PPL, not for Your usage. > The GLI has, in my opinion, been in a poor state since its inception. It > has slowly gotten a bit better, but not enough. In my opinion it should > never have been an icon on the desktop of the livecd. It wasn't ready. > And for whatever reasons, progress on fixing its issues never seemed to > be that good. > > Also, you'll actually find most open source developers are in it to > "scratch an itch". It may seem completely selfish, but it works. > Developers volunteer their time on projects they are interested in. You > can't force people to work on things they aren't interested in in their > free time - it'll never work. > > I also believe there's an alternative project which is replacing the GLI > for what it was intended to be used for. Details of this will be in the > announcement when it is released. > > > > - Stupid ideas about kicking off creator of Gentoo - You using his work! > > That's sucks! Try to rewrite whole portage by Your own then You can kick > > off anyone You like! > No one "kicked off" Daniel Robbins - As far as I know he left of his own > accord. His relatively recent "return" is a long story and another issue > entirely. > > > > - KDE 4.1 packages updates... or should I say - none of it! Latest > > unstable version of KDE 4 is 4.2 version!!! > KDE is being worked on in overlays at the moment. Personally I don't > think it's ready for everyday use yet. I tried the 4.2 SVN versions > recently and it still had many issues. > > > > Check DistroWatch what You done with Gentoo! In 2007 Yr. Gentoo was 7-th > > place, and now? > Distrowatch ranks distros based on page views on its site. It's hardly a > great way to rank distros. > > AllenJB > -- Angelo Arrifano Gentoo Linux ARM/OMAP850 Developer
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > > > - KDE 4.1 packages updates... or should I say - none of it! Latest > unstable version of KDE 4 is 4.2 version!!! > All the above answers were enough for your other complaints, so let me answer about the KDE issue. I'm a KDE HT and one of the maintainers of KDE overlay. I use KDE snapshots (currently KDE RC1) in my laptop and KDE live ebuilds on desktop, so I use the overlays' ebuilds for everyday use for a long time now. KDE itself had many issues, a significant amount of which have been resolved. No crashes, many missing features are imported and many many impressing innovations being introduced in every full recompile. Although there are still some missing KDE4 or QT4 applications like k3b, and some others have some features missing, depending on what a user needs. But the upstream KDE developers are doing a great job, they import features and solve bugs very quickly and i can recommend the overlays for everyday use. Concerning the Gentoo KDE Team, we are fully prepared for the upcoming KDE 4.2 release, we have made major changes to kde4 eclasses, supporting many features that were announced by scarabeus, and we still solve bugs for 3.5 and 4.1 releases. *The latest 4.1.4 release hit the tree the same day it was released by upstream *and it was available in kde-testing overlay a week ago hardmasked! KDE itself is a popular area amongst Gentoo projects and this can be easily seen in our IRC channel and our bugzilla list. So, please stop complaining for non-existent problems and go help the community :)
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: - No main packages updates. Define "main packages". If there are packages you know to be out of date, file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom! Yes, the loss of content on Gentoo Wiki was unfortunate. An offsite backup system has now been put in place so this won't happen again on the same scale. Others have scraped Google Cache for most of the old content and put it up at http://gentoo-wiki.info. Many have been busy working on articles on the new wiki and it is fast returning to its former glory (it's even better in some respects IMO - the rewrite has been an opportunity to correct some issues). - Portage blocks! - in 2005 there was no blocks, system was stable and working with max performance - now blocks are needed - WHY?! Portage blockers did exist in 2005. What's more, as of portage 2.1.6, most blocks are now resolved automatically. - Amd64 have oldest packages developed by devs (much don't work). This is completely false. I use amd64 on most of my machines and the only thing I have issues with is Flash - but that's certainly not the fault of the Gentoo developers. - GLI death! People used GLI! You write OS for PPL, not for Your usage. The GLI has, in my opinion, been in a poor state since its inception. It has slowly gotten a bit better, but not enough. In my opinion it should never have been an icon on the desktop of the livecd. It wasn't ready. And for whatever reasons, progress on fixing its issues never seemed to be that good. Also, you'll actually find most open source developers are in it to "scratch an itch". It may seem completely selfish, but it works. Developers volunteer their time on projects they are interested in. You can't force people to work on things they aren't interested in in their free time - it'll never work. I also believe there's an alternative project which is replacing the GLI for what it was intended to be used for. Details of this will be in the announcement when it is released. - Stupid ideas about kicking off creator of Gentoo - You using his work! That's sucks! Try to rewrite whole portage by Your own then You can kick off anyone You like! No one "kicked off" Daniel Robbins - As far as I know he left of his own accord. His relatively recent "return" is a long story and another issue entirely. - KDE 4.1 packages updates... or should I say - none of it! Latest unstable version of KDE 4 is 4.2 version!!! KDE is being worked on in overlays at the moment. Personally I don't think it's ready for everyday use yet. I tried the 4.2 SVN versions recently and it still had many issues. Check DistroWatch what You done with Gentoo! In 2007 Yr. Gentoo was 7-th place, and now? Distrowatch ranks distros based on page views on its site. It's hardly a great way to rank distros. AllenJB
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Dale wrote: > > I don't think Gentoo is broke. It may be a wrong setting or something > misconfigured on your system but Gentoo works. > > I really think you need to take this to -user tho. This thread really > needs to be there instead of on -dev. > > Dale > > :-) :-) This thread doesn't need to be anywhere. Talk about the wrong approach to solving a problem. Just let this die. There are much more constructive ways of improving Gentoo. Please take full advantage of bugs.gentoo.org, our forums and irc channels. Constructive suggestions/patches/improvements can also be brought up either within gentoo-dev ml or another project specific ml. Alistair
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > Dale pisze: > >> Norberto Bensa wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) >>> wrote: >>> >>> Now I'm pissed off! >>> Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using >>> Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working. >>> >>> Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose >>> (lose?) control. >>> >>> Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on >>> Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them. >>> Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from >>> Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :) >>> and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo. >>> >>> Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that >>> energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post >>> them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better. >>> >>> >>> Bye, >>> Norberto >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I don't reply on here much so please forgive me this one, and maybe a >> few more in the future. >> >> One, Gentoo grows on a person. If you are not willing to try it for at >> least a couple months and put in the effort to learn it, don't even try >> it. You are wasting time. Two, I bet there is a easy fix to his >> problem with regard to the error he posted. Most likely a known one at >> that. Third, he should try the latest portage that takes care of blocks >> very well. It may not be stable yet but it has worked so far and I >> suspect it would work for him as well. >> >> It's funny how a person can run into one issue and then blame everyone >> else for them not doing a little research. I also didn't see him post >> on -user to see if there is a workaround for his problem either. Maybe >> he needs to try Windoze. O_O >> >> While I am here, as a user of Gentoo for about 5 years or so, thanks for >> all the good work. There have been a lot of curves and bumps but ya'll >> do some super coding to say it lightly! Wish I was filthy rich. I >> would send all the devs a new rig to play with. Maybe even the MIPS >> folks too. LOL Just wishing tho. I'm not even sure what a MIPS is tho >> I suspect they are old. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> < Dale goes back to his hole now > >> > > > Ok, You all Say that Gentoo need to be FIXED. I have a question - how > OpenGL, SDL, C/C++, Java, Asembler and Pascal programmer can help? I'm > sick of something not working (from list or others). That things must work. > > > > BTW. Add --disable-gcc-check to Qemu ebuild with some like "noccheck" > USE flag - this will work. > > > I don't think Gentoo is broke. It may be a wrong setting or something misconfigured on your system but Gentoo works. I really think you need to take this to -user tho. This thread really needs to be there instead of on -dev. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Dale pisze: > Norberto Bensa wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) >> wrote: >> >>> Now I'm pissed off! >>> >>> >> >> Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using >> Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working. >> >> Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose >> (lose?) control. >> >> Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on >> Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them. >> Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from >> Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :) >> and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo. >> >> Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that >> energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post >> them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better. >> >> >> Bye, >> Norberto >> >> >> > > I don't reply on here much so please forgive me this one, and maybe a > few more in the future. > > One, Gentoo grows on a person. If you are not willing to try it for at > least a couple months and put in the effort to learn it, don't even try > it. You are wasting time. Two, I bet there is a easy fix to his > problem with regard to the error he posted. Most likely a known one at > that. Third, he should try the latest portage that takes care of blocks > very well. It may not be stable yet but it has worked so far and I > suspect it would work for him as well. > > It's funny how a person can run into one issue and then blame everyone > else for them not doing a little research. I also didn't see him post > on -user to see if there is a workaround for his problem either. Maybe > he needs to try Windoze. O_O > > While I am here, as a user of Gentoo for about 5 years or so, thanks for > all the good work. There have been a lot of curves and bumps but ya'll > do some super coding to say it lightly! Wish I was filthy rich. I > would send all the devs a new rig to play with. Maybe even the MIPS > folks too. LOL Just wishing tho. I'm not even sure what a MIPS is tho > I suspect they are old. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > < Dale goes back to his hole now > Ok, You all Say that Gentoo need to be FIXED. I have a question - how OpenGL, SDL, C/C++, Java, Asembler and Pascal programmer can help? I'm sick of something not working (from list or others). That things must work. BTW. Add --disable-gcc-check to Qemu ebuild with some like "noccheck" USE flag - this will work.
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) > wrote: > >> Now I'm pissed off! >> >> > > Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using > Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working. > > Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose > (lose?) control. > > Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on > Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them. > Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from > Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :) > and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo. > > Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that > energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post > them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better. > > > Bye, > Norberto > > > I don't reply on here much so please forgive me this one, and maybe a few more in the future. One, Gentoo grows on a person. If you are not willing to try it for at least a couple months and put in the effort to learn it, don't even try it. You are wasting time. Two, I bet there is a easy fix to his problem with regard to the error he posted. Most likely a known one at that. Third, he should try the latest portage that takes care of blocks very well. It may not be stable yet but it has worked so far and I suspect it would work for him as well. It's funny how a person can run into one issue and then blame everyone else for them not doing a little research. I also didn't see him post on -user to see if there is a workaround for his problem either. Maybe he needs to try Windoze. O_O While I am here, as a user of Gentoo for about 5 years or so, thanks for all the good work. There have been a lot of curves and bumps but ya'll do some super coding to say it lightly! Wish I was filthy rich. I would send all the devs a new rig to play with. Maybe even the MIPS folks too. LOL Just wishing tho. I'm not even sure what a MIPS is tho I suspect they are old. Dale :-) :-) < Dale goes back to his hole now >
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > Now I'm pissed off! > Yeah I know the feeling, but after almost 7 years I'm still using Gentoo. Why? 'Cos it keep my brain working. Ubuntu is great, but it does everything on it's own. Then, you loose (lose?) control. Ubuntu has -how much?- 100x man power of Gentoo? They're based on Debian, and if that is not enough, a commercial company behind them. Of course you'll get things done that way. They use the work from Debian devs, and money from Canonical. Gentoo is based on... Gentoo :) and AFAIK, no commercial company gives them money to develop Gentoo. Ranting will not make things work, so please, calm down and use that energy in something more useful. Report bugs, search patches, post them in bugzilla. Do whatever you think will help Gentoo better. Bye, Norberto
[gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Now I'm pissed off! Am I so stupid to build GCC3 now? Qemu can be build with GCC 4 (exc. 4.3.2). Im tired about complaining pseudo developers about taking some ideas not needed by anyone. What don't working in Gentoo: - intel driver (i965) with connection to MESA - some not available video modes, strange driver configuration workarounds and exc. ACCELERATION. - rtl8187B wi-fi driver (kernel built-in) - on Ubuntu works OK, on gentoo drops connection after 4 sec. of working. - performance! Performance got some coffee at work break! - No main packages updates. - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom! - Portage blocks! - in 2005 there was no blocks, system was stable and working with max performance - now blocks are needed - WHY?! - Amd64 have oldest packages developed by devs (much don't work). - GLI death! People used GLI! You write OS for PPL, not for Your usage. - Stupid ideas about kicking off creator of Gentoo - You using his work! That's sucks! Try to rewrite whole portage by Your own then You can kick off anyone You like! - KDE 4.1 packages updates... or should I say - none of it! Latest unstable version of KDE 4 is 4.2 version!!! - Some Python based apps like Elisa. - On em28xx V4L2 DVB TV cards audio don't work (exc. at drivers from portage). - Worst Wine experience Ever! If You don't have NVidia properitary drivers and NV card, You can go on tree with bananas streightning propositions. ... and much more! Check DistroWatch what You done with Gentoo! In 2007 Yr. Gentoo was 7-th place, and now? Nice work! Nice... - Also thanks for GREAT OpenGL support for i965 (on ubuntu works great)- when try to write app in C++ and OpenGL, after running whole screen takes some bars with rainbow colors - nice picture, but not for programmer. BTW. Hibernation on 2.6.28 kernel also not working! On Debian/Ubuntu, Knoppix with not pached kernels compiled from source it works perfect. Going to Funtoo! Good night, sleep tide... * qemu requires gcc-3 in order to build and work correctly * please compile it switching to gcc-3. * We are aware that qemu can guess a gcc-3 but this feature * could be harmful. * * ERROR: app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 49: Called pkg_setup * qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3.ebuild, line 40: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die "gcc 4 cannot build qemu" * The die message: * gcc 4 cannot build qemu * * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. * A complete build log is located at '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3/temp/die.env'. *
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > Received: by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) > id ABDDD64A4E; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:36:12 + (UTC) > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:28:40 +0100 You might want to run `ntpdate pool.ntp.org`...
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: > [Rant rant rant] 1. Stop bitching. 2. Go away. (Not necessarily in that order.) Oh, and by the way: > - No serious Gentoo-Wiki - rewritten after great boom! Guess what? We don't own that. We don't control it. It has no affiliation with Gentoo; it's run by some of the users from the community. It's their project, not ours. Take up your issues with them. If the wiki needs fixing, then FIX IT. That's what it's for. Actually, that applies to the Gentoo distribution itself: if something bothers you, there are a million ways to FIX IT. Help out, or find something more suited to your . . . temperament. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] QEMU Sick!
On Thursday 22 of January 2009 00:28:40 Mateusz Mierzwinski (me.matheos.org) wrote: [[snip]] You should use more exclamation marks. > Going to Funtoo! Good night, sleep tide... Enjoy. > > * qemu requires gcc-3 in order to build and work correctly > * please compile it switching to gcc-3. > * We are aware that qemu can guess a gcc-3 but this feature > * could be harmful. > * > * ERROR: app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 failed. > * Call stack: > * ebuild.sh, line 49: Called pkg_setup > * qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3.ebuild, line 40: Called die > * The specific snippet of code: > * die "gcc 4 cannot build qemu" > * The die message: > * gcc 4 cannot build qemu > * > * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack > if relevant. > * A complete build log is located at > '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 >/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at > '/home/matheos/buildpkgs/tmpdir/portage/app-emulation/qemu-softmmu-0.9.1-r3 >/temp/die.env'. * Go to bugs.gentoo.org
