Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:15:23PM -0500, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 20:07, Forrest Voight wrote: How is that wrong? If it isn't, eselect would be a great way to switch EDITOR and XSESSION. jesus, talk about over engineering using eselect to manage some default variables instead of simply editing your ~/.bashrc file is like using a backhoe to dig a hole for a bonsai tree ... sure it'll work, but who the hell wants a goddamn bonsai tree -mike I have 2 :) But on topic, I totally agree with Mike. OK, Possibly EDITOR and XSESSION are better suited to somewhere else other than rc, but atm that place doesn't exist, and imo doesn't warrant creation. /etc/env.d/ (when it comes to setting a default editor) just seems very odd to me. It's not easily managed from a package perspective. It can easily just throw some random behaviour. Of course, user specific EDITOR etc, is much better set in the appropriate ~/dotfiles. System wide, all we need is a workable default. -- Role:Gentoo Linux Kernel Lead Gentoo Linux:http://www.gentoo.org Public Key: gpg --recv-keys 9C745515 Key fingerprint: A0AF F3C8 D699 A05A EC5C 24F7 95AA 241D 9C74 5515 pgpujO1RGFPSU.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
Ok, forget EDITOR and XSESSION. I just started saying earlier that DISPLAYMANAGER could be put in /etc/conf.d/xdm. XSESSION and DISPLAYMANAGER are different, they just both relate to X. There is really no reason not to split them up. Forrest On 2/14/06, John Mylchreest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:15:23PM -0500, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 20:07, Forrest Voight wrote: How is that wrong? If it isn't, eselect would be a great way to switch EDITOR and XSESSION. jesus, talk about over engineering using eselect to manage some default variables instead of simply editing your ~/.bashrc file is like using a backhoe to dig a hole for a bonsai tree ... sure it'll work, but who the hell wants a goddamn bonsai tree -mike I have 2 :) But on topic, I totally agree with Mike. OK, Possibly EDITOR and XSESSION are better suited to somewhere else other than rc, but atm that place doesn't exist, and imo doesn't warrant creation. /etc/env.d/ (when it comes to setting a default editor) just seems very odd to me. It's not easily managed from a package perspective. It can easily just throw some random behaviour. Of course, user specific EDITOR etc, is much better set in the appropriate ~/dotfiles. System wide, all we need is a workable default. -- Role:Gentoo Linux Kernel Lead Gentoo Linux:http://www.gentoo.org Public Key: gpg --recv-keys 9C745515 Key fingerprint: A0AF F3C8 D699 A05A EC5C 24F7 95AA 241D 9C74 5515 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgptggFYcJHDe.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
Why doesn't it make sense to split DISPLAYMANAGER and XSESSION up? They are related, but in different contexts. XSESSION is for the user and DISPLAYMANAGER is used at boot time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Monday 13 February 2006 13:19, Forrest Voight wrote: Why doesn't it make sense to split DISPLAYMANAGER and XSESSION up? They are related, but in different contexts. XSESSION is for the user and DISPLAYMANAGER is used at boot time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. I was just arguing why one should not keep XSESSION in .bashrc only, and rely on skel. It's too easy to break. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpGkH146Y4Oq.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
What about env.d? Gnome could install and env file that by default sets XSESSION to gnome. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 13:19, Forrest Voight wrote: Why doesn't it make sense to split DISPLAYMANAGER and XSESSION up? They are related, but in different contexts. XSESSION is for the user and DISPLAYMANAGER is used at boot time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. I was just arguing why one should not keep XSESSION in .bashrc only, and rely on skel. It's too easy to break. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Mon, 2006-13-02 at 16:51 -0500, Forrest Voight wrote: What about env.d? Gnome could install and env file that by default sets XSESSION to gnome. Can't do... you can have gnome, kde, xfce, etc all installed at the same time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 13:19, Forrest Voight wrote: Why doesn't it make sense to split DISPLAYMANAGER and XSESSION up? They are related, but in different contexts. XSESSION is for the user and DISPLAYMANAGER is used at boot time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. I was just arguing why one should not keep XSESSION in .bashrc only, and rely on skel. It's too easy to break. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
What happens if two env.d files set the same variable? On 2/13/06, Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-13-02 at 16:51 -0500, Forrest Voight wrote: What about env.d? Gnome could install and env file that by default sets XSESSION to gnome. Can't do... you can have gnome, kde, xfce, etc all installed at the same time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 13:19, Forrest Voight wrote: Why doesn't it make sense to split DISPLAYMANAGER and XSESSION up? They are related, but in different contexts. XSESSION is for the user and DISPLAYMANAGER is used at boot time. On 2/13/06, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 13 February 2006 03:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote: And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Users might further decide they use a .bashrc from a different system, or to clean all percieved cruft from the .bashrc/.bash_profile. Having a sane default is probably better. I was just arguing why one should not keep XSESSION in .bashrc only, and rely on skel. It's too easy to break. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Monday 13 February 2006 14:24, Forrest Voight wrote: What happens if two env.d files set the same variable? AFAIK, the env.d files processed in lexicographic order, and later entries override earlier ones, except for certain variables (such as PATH) which are added to instead. -- # # electronerd, the electronerdian from electronerdia # pgpZbycadNUR0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Monday 13 February 2006 19:01, Alec Warner wrote: Forrest Voight wrote: What happens if two env.d files set the same variable? You write an eselect module to choose between them :) brr wrong -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Monday 13 February 2006 20:07, Forrest Voight wrote: How is that wrong? If it isn't, eselect would be a great way to switch EDITOR and XSESSION. jesus, talk about over engineering using eselect to manage some default variables instead of simply editing your ~/.bashrc file is like using a backhoe to dig a hole for a bonsai tree ... sure it'll work, but who the hell wants a goddamn bonsai tree -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
I was using an old gentoo system. Forget about KEYMAP.
But, what about UNICODE? That is related to KEYMAP and consolefont.
Shouldn't EDITOR and XSESSION be in a user-specific place?
Forrest
On 2/12/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 11:38 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Forrest Voight wrote:
Hello all,
I believe that rc.conf contains many values that could be put into
conf.d. For example, DISPLAYMANAGER and KEYMAP. DISPLAYMANAGER could
be put into conf.d/xdm. Then, this variable would not exist with a
non-X environment, and configuration could be more modularized.
DISPLAYMANAGER should stay in rc.conf is because XSESSION is in rc.conf,
and it doesn't make sense to split them up. XSESSION is unrelated to any
service, so there's not really a better place for it.
Isn't XSESSION *only* used by display managers? I know for a fact that
it isn't used by startx or anything.
Do you now? It's used by my startx.
Take a look at /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc:
# First try ~/.xinitrc
if [ -f $HOME/.xinitrc ]; then
XINITRC=$HOME/.xinitrc
exec /bin/sh $HOME/.xinitrc
# If not present, try the system default
elif [ -n `/etc/X11/chooser.sh` ]; then
exec `/etc/X11/chooser.sh`
in chooser.sh:
# If $XSESSION is , source first /etc/conf.d/basic, and then /etc/rc.conf
if [ -z ${XSESSION} ]
then
[ -f /etc/conf.d/basic ] source /etc/conf.d/basic
[ -f /etc/rc.conf ] source /etc/rc.conf
fi
# Find a match for $XSESSION in /etc/X11/Sessions
GENTOO_SESSION=
for x in /etc/X11/Sessions/*
do
if [ `echo ${x##*/} | awk '{ print toupper($1) }'` \
= `echo ${XSESSION} | awk '{ print toupper($1) }'` ]
then
GENTOO_SESSION=${x}
break
fi
done
--
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[gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
Then why can't it be in /etc/skel? On 2/12/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forrest Voight wrote: I was using an old gentoo system. Forget about KEYMAP. But, what about UNICODE? That is related to KEYMAP and consolefont. Shouldn't EDITOR and XSESSION be in a user-specific place? I guess you didn't really understand the code. They can be in a user-specific place. If ~/.xinitrc exists, then it gets used instead. Other variables can easily be set in one's ~/.bashrc, but generally people want a usable system default as well. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 19:56 -0500, Forrest Voight wrote: On 2/12/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forrest Voight wrote: I was using an old gentoo system. Forget about KEYMAP. But, what about UNICODE? That is related to KEYMAP and consolefont. Shouldn't EDITOR and XSESSION be in a user-specific place? I guess you didn't really understand the code. They can be in a user-specific place. Then why can't it be in /etc/skel? Changing /etc/skel only affects new users. /etc/rc.conf affects all users that don't override it in their env. Ed -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: /etc/rc.conf
Edward Catmur wrote: On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 19:56 -0500, Forrest Voight wrote: On 2/12/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forrest Voight wrote: I was using an old gentoo system. Forget about KEYMAP. But, what about UNICODE? That is related to KEYMAP and consolefont. Shouldn't EDITOR and XSESSION be in a user-specific place? I guess you didn't really understand the code. They can be in a user-specific place. Then why can't it be in /etc/skel? Changing /etc/skel only affects new users. /etc/rc.conf affects all users that don't override it in their env. And even then, it's only copied over when you specify the -m option to useradd. It isn't done by default. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
