Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-20 Thread Roy Bamford

On 2007.03.19 20:57, Alexandre Buisse wrote:

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 21:34:09 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:

 On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
 Hi,
 [snip resignation]
 

 Alexandre,

 We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on  
IRC. OSS is a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.


Yes, and it's probably one of the reasons I like it so much. But your
work also depends on other people, and the community is far from  
being anarchist (so far at least :)).


That depends on the scale you examine 'the community' at. When you work  
on a project with a small number of other developers, the work share  
and bureaucracy may well happen without any thought, as 'the community'  
gets bigger, the need for formal structure, rules and all that goes  
with it arises. There have been several excellent posts on that aspect  
of communities, so I won't repeat them.



 Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as
as
 words from a weary solider.

 Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your
corner.
 By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.

That's true, but I also expect a certain amount of fun for something  
I do on a voluntary basis. If I spend all my time fighting, even for
ideas that I think are good, I expect it to quickly become a pain for  
me as well as for others who do not share my views.

Yes! the fun element is essential.

Besides, I also respect that other people can have different opinions  
on those matters and if I'm more or less alone to think in some way,  
I shouldn't try to force people to my views.
Not force, that wasn't what I intended to express. More persuade. By  
sharing your ideas with 'the community' at some scale, and opening them  
to constructive criticism so that they can be used as a stepping stones  
to something better than the original idea. Newton summed it up well  
with his If I see further than other men, it it because I stand on the  
shoulders of giants


[snip]

I think that part of the problem is the form that criticism can take.  
Giving criticism without giving offense is very difficult, even within  
a single culture and Gentoo has the difficulty of being multi-cultural  
too.


Anyway, Good luck for the future, regardless of yor eventual decision.

Regards,

Roy Bamford,
(NeddySeagoon)
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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Roy Bamford

On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:

Hi,

[snip resignation]




Alexandre,

We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on IRC. OSS is  
a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.


Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as as  
words from a weary solider.


Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your corner.  
By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.


Whatever you decide, I wish your well for the future,

Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-19 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 21:34:09 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:

 On 2007.03.19 00:10, Alexandre Buisse wrote:
 Hi,
 [snip resignation]
 
 
 Alexandre,
 
 We have not worked together and have only spoken briefly on IRC. OSS is  
 a kind of anarchy, you only get what you fight for.

Yes, and it's probably one of the reasons I like it so much. But your
work also depends on other people, and the community is far from being
anarchist (so far at least :)).

 
 Your post contains a lot of good ideas, even though it comes over as as  
 words from a weary solider.
 
 Have a rest from Gentoo but please come back and fight for your corner.  
 By leaving, you reduce the numbers that share your ideals.

That's true, but I also expect a certain amount of fun for something I
do on a voluntary basis. If I spend all my time fighting, even for ideas
that I think are good, I expect it to quickly become a pain for me as
well as for others who do not share my views. Besides, I also respect
that other people can have different opinions on those matters and if
I'm more or less alone to think in some way, I shouldn't try to force
people to my views.

 
 Whatever you decide, I wish your well for the future,

Thanks!

/Alexandre
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