Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:26:18 + (UTC) Xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked this message as the current last in thread to reply to. Please allow me to express my sincere distaste at the hijacking of this retirement announcement thread for (political) profit and/or fun. To the retirees: best of luck and happiness in your future (current!) endeavours and pity we didn't get along. Kind regards, JeR
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Alec Warner wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it. Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I must apologize for using the word Cabal. I don't know the developers who resigned at all, nor do I have any clue about the reasons they departed. Leaving with a Gentoo is not going in the direction I want is equivalent to Gentoo is going in the wrong direction and makes the resignation sound political. I don't get why anyone would resign because of the ebuild spec, but anyway. Resignations in general don't tend to be too honest. I'm bored dudes, farewell would probably be perfectly fine.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Sorry to see you go. It's a shame if the technical direction is what you mean, since Gentoo can clearly accomodate different approaches to the same problem (it is source-based after all.) One thing: the door isn't nailed shut, even if new ones are opening ;-) Hope to see you back iow.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
2008/8/11 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I'm pretty sure that's the least of their worries.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony!
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Patrick Lauer wrote: If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from my tools. Thanks A User.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! GLEP 57. Coffee machine and Pony Needed. When in need of help, Gentoo needs a knight in shining armour, that usually comes as coffee so to facilitate that we need a coffee machine and a pony. I have just been informed by amne that the pony needs to be pink.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Anthony Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:31:03 +0100: Patrick Lauer wrote: If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from my tools. Ooo, and being bit by the pony (or for that matter, anything) in the tools is REALLY not fun!! =8^S -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of these retirement messages. Denis.
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Denis Dupeyron [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:40:58 +0200: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of these retirement messages. That, and by the time it comes to retirement, one has generally been thru the arguments several times already, the people that need to know why in general already do, and there's a feeling it's not worth rehearsing old positions and bringing up old arguments the one last time. The time for that has already passed by the time someone's announcing their retirement, the decision has been made, it's all water under the bridge now (as the saying goes) and it's time to move on, with a clean break, no longer blaming anyone or etc as that's what one does /before/ it gets to this point. So, indeed, I'm a KDE user here, and it's time to wish them well... Thanks guys for all the hard work, the product of which I'm running (still KDE 3.5.9, here) as I type this. Be well, and hope to see you around the community! There's plenty of projects out there that can use your help! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it. Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. -Alec
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Tach Seemant, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Seemant Kulleen schrieb: Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say. I'll give you a better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling from the news. Hey, you could write a praise for new devs...for me e.g. V-Li -- Fingerprint: 68C5 D381 B69A A777 6A91 E999 350A AD7C 2B85 9DE3 http://www.gnupg.org/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement
Jon Portnoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:15:58 -0500: I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. Wow, I think I'm learning what it feels like to be old, and see all the folks you knew before retiring and going elsewhere. I'm just a user, but this announcement stings! Wishing you well wherever you go. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
