Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Benjamin Smee (strerror)
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On Friday 13 April 2007 12:41:43 Roy Marples wrote:
 If you care about such things, then you need to pester the maintainer
 of said package to write an init script for it that has the following
 dependency

I'll look into it, any idea when you are going to making baselayout-2 
stable so I have an ETA on when this has to be done by? Anyone that has 
time and wants to submit some patches (I don't think that there is too 
much that is bash specific in it off the top of my head) to test, simply 
bug it to me.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 April 2007, Benjamin Smee (strerror) wrote:
 On Friday 13 April 2007 12:41:43 Roy Marples wrote:
  If you care about such things, then you need to pester the maintainer
  of said package to write an init script for it that has the following
  dependency

 I'll look into it, any idea when you are going to making baselayout-2
 stable so I have an ETA on when this has to be done by? Anyone that has
 time and wants to submit some patches (I don't think that there is too
 much that is bash specific in it off the top of my head) to test, simply
 bug it to me.

ha, it wont even be leaving package.mask soonish, so i doubt you have any 
stable worries

i wonder how hard we want to ride this though ... target 2007.1 ?
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ha, it wont even be leaving package.mask soonish, so i doubt you have any
  stable worries
 
  i wonder how hard we want to ride this though ... target 2007.1 ?

 It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight

you're clearly not part of the release process

 so the idea that 
 there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
 don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent on that.

read what i said again, i'm talking about stabilizing
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Alex Tarkovsky

On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight

you're clearly not part of the release process


Can you tell us the release date then?

I didn't think so. :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
 there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
 don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent on that.

I guess I should just delete all this 2007.0 media we've been working on
then, huh?

I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take 3
seconds to talk to the people in the know.  If you don't know what
you're talking about, rather than open your mouth and prove to everyone
that you are clueless about the particular topic, it's probably best to
either ask someone or talk about something you're actually familiar
with, instead.  For those of you wondering, 2007.0 is close to being
finished.  You can blame the abnormally high number of security
vulnerabilities in large packages for the delays.  Also, the dates given
on the Release Engineering pages are nothing more than guesses made by
me months before we even start the release.  They are in no way binding.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 On 4/13/07, Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Friday 13 April 2007, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
   It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight
 
  you're clearly not part of the release process

 Can you tell us the release date then?

 I didn't think so. :)

i never said i was part of the release process
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 April 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
  It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
  there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
  don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent on that.

 I guess I should just delete all this 2007.0 media we've been working on
 then, huh?

 I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
 people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take 3
 seconds to talk to the people in the know.  If you don't know what
 you're talking about, rather than open your mouth and prove to everyone
 that you are clueless about the particular topic, it's probably best to
 either ask someone or talk about something you're actually familiar
 with, instead.  For those of you wondering, 2007.0 is close to being
 finished.  You can blame the abnormally high number of security
 vulnerabilities in large packages for the delays.  Also, the dates given
 on the Release Engineering pages are nothing more than guesses made by
 me months before we even start the release.  They are in no way binding.

so full of hate !
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Petteri Räty
Alex Tarkovsky kirjoitti:

 So I promise to get myself a clue just as soon as you've changed your
 policies to be more inclusive and less hostile towards users. Deal? :)


The thing is that your comment was probably perceived as a negative
comment about our releases being late or something like that at least
that's how it come out to me at least.

Regards,
Petteri



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2007.0 release (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc))

2007-04-13 Thread Thilo Bangert
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
 people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take
 3 seconds to talk to the people in the know.  If you don't know what
 you're talking about, rather than open your mouth and prove to everyone
 that you are clueless about the particular topic, it's probably best to
 either ask someone or talk about something you're actually familiar
 with, instead.

this seems to come up more often than you like. is this the release 
tracker bug?
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814

kind regards
Thilo


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Re: 2007.0 release (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc))

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:23 +0200, Thilo Bangert wrote:
 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
  people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take
  3 seconds to talk to the people in the know.  If you don't know what
  you're talking about, rather than open your mouth and prove to everyone
  that you are clueless about the particular topic, it's probably best to
  either ask someone or talk about something you're actually familiar
  with, instead.
 
 this seems to come up more often than you like. is this the release 
 tracker bug?
 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814

No.  We don't track releases via bugs.  Things simply change too fast
for it to be a usable solution.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering Strategic Lead
Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams
Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee
Gentoo Foundation


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Jeffrey Gardner
Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 Can you tell us the release date then?
 
 I didn't think so. :)
 
 --Alex

Dickish messages like this one might possibly earn you some cold
shoulder or hostility from people who work very hard for you...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Alex Tarkovsky

On 4/13/07, Jeffrey Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 Can you tell us the release date then?

 I didn't think so. :)

 --Alex

Dickish messages like this one might possibly earn you some cold
shoulder or hostility from people who work very hard for you...


1) It's a friendly joke. Note the smiley face, which wouldn't be used
if it weren't a joke. Well, I might use a scowly face. ;^{

2) Why must some Gentoo devs like yourself and Mr. Gianelloni reply
with expletives to things you disagree with? It's no wonder you need
proctors; unwarranted escalation and invective seems to come so
naturally here.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:40:53 +0200
Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So just get a beer and be cool, okay? It's friday, after all...

No! No beer until my work shift ends! Then I'll join you.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
On Friday 13 April 2007 21:55, Andrej Kacian wrote:
 On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:40:53 +0200

 Jan Kundrát [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  So just get a beer and be cool, okay? It's friday, after all...

 No! No beer until my work shift ends! Then I'll join you.
Your work shift ending? Hah you're a dev so your shift never ends :)

Who want to drink beer friday night when they can dance with Bugzie while 
staying on their lazy ass?

/me invites Bugzie for another dance and swirls off

-- 
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen (Jaervosz)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Doug Goldstein
Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Friday 13 April 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
   
 On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:23 -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote:
 
 It's mid-April and 2007.0 is still nowhere in sight, so the idea that
 there will be a 2007.1 is looking increasingly unrealistic. Please
 don't make baselayout-2's unmasking contingent on that.
   
 I guess I should just delete all this 2007.0 media we've been working on
 then, huh?

 I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some
 people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take 3
 seconds to talk to the people in the know.  If you don't know what
 you're talking about, rather than open your mouth and prove to everyone
 that you are clueless about the particular topic, it's probably best to
 either ask someone or talk about something you're actually familiar
 with, instead.  For those of you wondering, 2007.0 is close to being
 finished.  You can blame the abnormally high number of security
 vulnerabilities in large packages for the delays.  Also, the dates given
 on the Release Engineering pages are nothing more than guesses made by
 me months before we even start the release.  They are in no way binding.
 

 so full of hate !
 -mike
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Tenorman_Must_Die

I say we never piss Chris off again... ever...
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