Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
Le jeudi 04 octobre 2012 à 11:30 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:44:42 +0200 Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). Both flags should most likely start with dlna, then we need to figure out a suffix :) I propose dlna-av and dlna-network. Not necessarily DLNA, since port forwarding is often UPnP or NAT-PMP (with the latter having nothing to DLNA). We could go for USE=port-forwarding or something shorter but I guess most people think of it just as 'upnp'. Or 'upnp-igd', or just 'igd'. Similarly, 'upnp-av' for how gupnp calls it. Or something for streaming. upnp-av and upnp-igd are fine for me. Proposal descriptions: upnp-av - Enable UPnP Audio/Video streaming support upnp-igd - Enable UPnP port mapping support -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:44:42 +0200 Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). Both flags should most likely start with dlna, then we need to figure out a suffix :) I propose dlna-av and dlna-network. Not necessarily DLNA, since port forwarding is often UPnP or NAT-PMP (with the latter having nothing to DLNA). We could go for USE=port-forwarding or something shorter but I guess most people think of it just as 'upnp'. Or 'upnp-igd', or just 'igd'. Similarly, 'upnp-av' for how gupnp calls it. Or something for streaming. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 17:44 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). DLNA is actually a subset of UPnP with some strict certification rules. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). Both flags should most likely start with dlna, then we need to figure out a suffix :) I propose dlna-av and dlna-network. See [1] if somebody else feels inspired. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance#DLNA_technology_components -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 10:19 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? No, TV makers and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). Both flags should most likely start with dlna, then we need to figure out a suffix :) I propose dlna-av and dlna-network. See [1] if somebody else feels inspired. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance#DLNA_technology_components -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo Personally, I would prefer that the USE flags be named for the protocol/feature they enable (upnp-foo) rather than the organization that certifies devices (dlna-foo). Maybe I'm over-simplifying.
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:55:29 -0700 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 18/09/2012 16:50, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Let me just say that as a user, concerning this technology aggregate, I really don't care, it has to just work :). Now if you gather enough momentum to split this flag and make other people on this list agree with you, I'll be just fine with it :) I'd be positive to splitting them. Especially because for instance in an office you might care about port forwarding but won't care about DLNA. Speaking of which, renaming (where applicable) upnp to dlna might be more user friendly since usually you have the feature _advertised_ as DLNA, not as UPnP! Just to make it clear: - USE=upnp for upnp-igd or nat-pmp, - USE=dlna for the video magic and so on. Do I understand correctly? -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:55:16 +0200 Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le samedi 08 septembre 2012 à 20:29 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:37:49 -0700 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: i'm surprised this hasn't happened already. currently at 18 users (and i'm adding another), so time to make global. i'll use the description: upnp: Enable support for the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) network protocol Not sure about that description. It's whole stack of protocols which usually benefit from more refined description. On the other hand, the local descriptions in the tree show that some people simply don't care and you are guessing what it does anyway... Enable support for DLNA/UPnP seems a good enough description. People that care about it most likely will know two things about it: * opens up ports on the router for torrents/games * makes PC talk to TV/console for audio/video But these are two distinct things. The first one may be useful for me, the second one won't. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
Le mardi 18 septembre 2012 à 10:05 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:55:16 +0200 Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le samedi 08 septembre 2012 à 20:29 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:37:49 -0700 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: i'm surprised this hasn't happened already. currently at 18 users (and i'm adding another), so time to make global. i'll use the description: upnp: Enable support for the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) network protocol Not sure about that description. It's whole stack of protocols which usually benefit from more refined description. On the other hand, the local descriptions in the tree show that some people simply don't care and you are guessing what it does anyway... Enable support for DLNA/UPnP seems a good enough description. People that care about it most likely will know two things about it: * opens up ports on the router for torrents/games * makes PC talk to TV/console for audio/video But these are two distinct things. The first one may be useful for me, the second one won't. Let me just say that as a user, concerning this technology aggregate, I really don't care, it has to just work :). Now if you gather enough momentum to split this flag and make other people on this list agree with you, I'll be just fine with it :) -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On 18/09/2012 16:50, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Let me just say that as a user, concerning this technology aggregate, I really don't care, it has to just work :). Now if you gather enough momentum to split this flag and make other people on this list agree with you, I'll be just fine with it :) I'd be positive to splitting them. Especially because for instance in an office you might care about port forwarding but won't care about DLNA. Speaking of which, renaming (where applicable) upnp to dlna might be more user friendly since usually you have the feature _advertised_ as DLNA, not as UPnP! -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
Le samedi 08 septembre 2012 à 20:29 +0200, Michał Górny a écrit : On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:37:49 -0700 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: i'm surprised this hasn't happened already. currently at 18 users (and i'm adding another), so time to make global. i'll use the description: upnp: Enable support for the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) network protocol Not sure about that description. It's whole stack of protocols which usually benefit from more refined description. On the other hand, the local descriptions in the tree show that some people simply don't care and you are guessing what it does anyway... Enable support for DLNA/UPnP seems a good enough description. People that care about it most likely will know two things about it: * opens up ports on the router for torrents/games * makes PC talk to TV/console for audio/video I'll admit this does not fit tracker but that's because I wasn't inspired when I had to find a USE flag to select a video metadata extractor :). -- Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org Gentoo
[gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
i'm surprised this hasn't happened already. currently at 18 users (and i'm adding another), so time to make global. i'll use the description: upnp: Enable support for the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) network protocol app-misc/tracker: Add support for video extraction via media-libs/gupnp-dlna. gnome-extra/nautilus-sendto: Enables support for sending files over upnp using net-libs/gupnp-av kde-base/kdelibs: Enable UPnP support media-plugins/grilo-plugins: Build support for UPnP devices using net-libs/gupnp and net-libs/gupnp-av media-sound/rhythmbox: Build a plugin for local network music sharing which uses UPnP protocols using media-video/coherence, dev-python/louie, and dev-python/twisted media-video/totem: Enable DLNA support through media-video/coherence media-video/vlc: Enables support for Intel UPnP stack. net-libs/farsight2: Enable UPnP IGD support net-libs/farstream: Enable UPnP IGD support net-libs/libnice: Enable UPnP IGD support net-misc/tor: Enable Universal Plug and Play net-p2p/amule: Enables support for Intel UPnP stack. net-p2p/bitcoin-qt: Enable Universal Plug and Play net-p2p/bitcoind: Enable Universal Plug and Play net-p2p/eiskaltdcpp: Forward ports using UPnP net-p2p/ktorrent: Forward ports using UPnP net-p2p/leechcraft-eiskaltdcpp: Forward ports using UPnP www-servers/pshs: Enable port forwarding using UPnP via net-libs/miniupnpc -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag
On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 10:37:49 -0700 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: i'm surprised this hasn't happened already. currently at 18 users (and i'm adding another), so time to make global. i'll use the description: upnp: Enable support for the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) network protocol Not sure about that description. It's whole stack of protocols which usually benefit from more refined description. On the other hand, the local descriptions in the tree show that some people simply don't care and you are guessing what it does anyway... -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
