Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 02/18/20 02:36, Matt Turner wrote: > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:47 PM desultory wrote: >> > > You've got a particular knack for this kind of argumentative nonsense. > > While I will gladly accept that post being described as "argumentative", as after all I am very much interested in reading actual arguments sufficient to convince me that my impressions and the opinions derived therefrom are incorrect; I do take issue with it being described as "nonsense". So, I put to you the simple question: how, exactly, is it nonsense? I extrapolated from your own activities and your own statements about your own activities. If you don't like the impressions thus derived it might do you well to address the sources of those impressions instead of dismissing them as nonsense. Or, are you telling me that your own statements are nonsense and your actions nonsensical and thus impressions derived from them are nonsense? That in itself produces a rather strong impression.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:47 PM desultory wrote: > You've got a particular knack for this kind of argumentative nonsense.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 02/14/20 11:14, Matt Turner wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: >> In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an >> impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if >> mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe >> we're the only ones. Maybe not. > > What do you think the threshold should be? If one person objects, > should ComRel cease and desist? Two? Should we have a Gentoo-wide > vote? > How many people objecting to your handling of a situation would it take for you to consider that you might have handled it in a less than ideal manner? Two? Three? Do we need unanimous declaration by all holders of @gentoo.org e-mail addresses, including yourself, before you even consider it? > I don't have the highest opinion of ComRel and I'm a member, but maybe > you could let us do our jobs? > > Given that I am not your therapist, I am going to consider this comment from an objective perspective not en emotional one. Given that you "don't have the highest opinion of ComRel", that implies rather strongly that you do not consider ComRel to be competent. Given that you are still a member, that implies that either (1) you consider yourself to not be the least competent member of ComRel (presumably of basic competence), or (2) you are a member specifically to attempt to gain such competence. In the former case, perhaps consider undertaking training of those less competent than you (thereby improving your opinion of ComRel as a whole), in the latter do kindly avoid undertaking actions that you are not competent in. As for the "maybe you could let us do our jobs?" part of that comment, this appears to be a distinctly worrying trend among "special" projects in Gentoo. Proctors now openly refuse to actually undertake their mandate because they face the existential horror of negative feedback when they make outlandishly perverse claims. ComRel now insists, by implication, that while it is by the description of at least one member openly incompetent, feedback is unwelcome at best. Even QA has made similar sorts of empty appeals to their own authority, while also refusing to actually argue their case. None of these should be at all acceptable, yet somehow this nonsense is largely left uncontested for reasons that escape me entirely, If you cannot adequately "do [y]our job", consider that perhaps you should not be doing it in the first place.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Saturday, 15 February 2020 3:14:55 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an > > impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if > > mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). > > Maybe we're the only ones. Maybe not. > > What do you think the threshold should be? If one person objects, > should ComRel cease and desist? Two? Should we have a Gentoo-wide > vote? > > I don't have the highest opinion of ComRel and I'm a member, but maybe > you could let us do our jobs? I didn't say ComRel shouldn't do their job, nor offered any opinion on ComRel whatsoever. I said people shouldn't be called out on what looks like a legitimate question, and that quote was illustrating one of the reasons why. The threshold I'm talking about would be "is this question, however it's worded, relevant to the subject." Having said that, if this is you wearing a ComRel hat telling me to mind my own business, so be it. -- Sam Jorna (wraeth) GnuPG ID: 0xD6180C26 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an > impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if > mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe > we're the only ones. Maybe not. What do you think the threshold should be? If one person objects, should ComRel cease and desist? Two? Should we have a Gentoo-wide vote? I don't have the highest opinion of ComRel and I'm a member, but maybe you could let us do our jobs?
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Friday, 14 February 2020 2:21:32 PM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:12 AM Mike Pagano wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:46:43PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > > On Thursday, 13 February 2020 5:40:46 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > > > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review > > > > > > > > 232 > > > > > > > > lines of > > > > > > > > Manifest?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > Gentoo? > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting > > > > > > someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a > > > > > > review thread?> > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without > > > > > commenting. > > > > > > > > > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is > > > > > debatable), > > > > > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of > > > > > other > > > > > things Michael has posted. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a > > > > consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over > > > > a long period. :( > > > > > > Without going into specifics, veremit and I have certainly had our > > > 'differences of opinion' in the past; but I don't believe this is one > > > of those occasions. > > > > > > Calling out bad actors (not saying veremit is one, I just mean in the > > > general sense) is an unfortunate but important task, but call them out > > > on bad behaviour, not for what appears to be an impassioned but > > > otherwise unremarkable query. > > > > I agree with this 100 percent. Not judging solely on the content of the > > specific email in the thread does not allow people to grow and improve. > > Are we all to be judged on our past behavior forever with no chance to > > overcome past transgressions ? > > That's not what's going on. Maybe not; but that's what appears is going on. mpagano is absolutely correct that people need an opportunity to engage positively if they're expected to change their behaviour in a positive way. At the same time, however, chastising someone without an apparent transgression both reinforces negative behaviour (such as the subsequent mails on that sub- thread) *and* gives anyone not intimately familiar with that particular case the impression that people are ridiculed because they asked a relevant question (since there's no other context). In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe we're the only ones. Maybe not. I understand that you or others may have had a history of issues dealing with someone, perhaps to the point where even seeing their name puts a damper on your day. I'm sure there are people who feel the same about me. But let bad actors dig their own hole to fall in, even if you're certain beyond the shadow of a doubt that they're sitting in a darkened lair, twirling their moustache and saying things like "my evil plan is coming to fruition!"; because lashing out at an unrelated list post just looks like you're being an asshole. -- Sam Jorna (wraeth) GnuPG ID: 0xD6180C26 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:12 AM Mike Pagano wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:46:43PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > On Thursday, 13 February 2020 5:40:46 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > > > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 > > > > > > > lines of > > > > > > > Manifest?! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > > > > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > > > > > > Gentoo? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting > > > > > someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a > > > > > review thread?> > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without > > > > commenting. > > > > > > > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is debatable), > > > > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of other > > > > things Michael has posted. > > > > > > Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a > > > consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over > > > a long period. :( > > > > Without going into specifics, veremit and I have certainly had our > > 'differences > > of opinion' in the past; but I don't believe this is one of those occasions. > > > > Calling out bad actors (not saying veremit is one, I just mean in the > > general > > sense) is an unfortunate but important task, but call them out on bad > > behaviour, not for what appears to be an impassioned but otherwise > > unremarkable query. > > > > I agree with this 100 percent. Not judging solely on the content of the > specific email in the thread does not allow people to grow and improve. Are we > all to be judged on our past behavior forever with no chance to overcome past > transgressions ? That's not what's going on.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:46:43PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > On Thursday, 13 February 2020 5:40:46 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 > > > > > > lines of > > > > > > Manifest?! > > > > > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > > > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > > > > > Gentoo? > > > > > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting > > > > someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a > > > > review thread?> > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without > > > commenting. > > > > > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is debatable), > > > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of other > > > things Michael has posted. > > > > Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a > > consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over > > a long period. :( > > Without going into specifics, veremit and I have certainly had our > 'differences > of opinion' in the past; but I don't believe this is one of those occasions. > > Calling out bad actors (not saying veremit is one, I just mean in the general > sense) is an unfortunate but important task, but call them out on bad > behaviour, not for what appears to be an impassioned but otherwise > unremarkable query. > I agree with this 100 percent. Not judging solely on the content of the specific email in the thread does not allow people to grow and improve. Are we all to be judged on our past behavior forever with no chance to overcome past transgressions ? > -- > Sam Jorna (wraeth) > GnuPG ID: 0xD6180C26 > -- Mike Pagano Gentoo Developer - Kernel Project Gentoo Sources - Member E-Mail : mpag...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : EEE2 601D 0763 B60F 848C 9E14 3C33 C650 B576 E4E3 Public Key : http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xB576E4E3&op=index
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Thursday, 13 February 2020 5:40:46 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 > > > > > lines of > > > > > Manifest?! > > > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > > > > Gentoo? > > > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting > > > someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a > > > review thread?> > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without > > commenting. > > > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is debatable), > > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of other > > things Michael has posted. > > Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a > consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over > a long period. :( Without going into specifics, veremit and I have certainly had our 'differences of opinion' in the past; but I don't believe this is one of those occasions. Calling out bad actors (not saying veremit is one, I just mean in the general sense) is an unfortunate but important task, but call them out on bad behaviour, not for what appears to be an impassioned but otherwise unremarkable query. -- Sam Jorna (wraeth) GnuPG ID: 0xD6180C26 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > > > > Manifest?! > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > > > Gentoo? > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting someone > > for > > seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a review thread? > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without > commenting. > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is debatable), > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of other > things > Michael has posted. Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over a long period. :(
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote: > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > > > Manifest?! > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > > Gentoo? > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting someone > for > seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a review thread? I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without commenting. Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is debatable), but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of other things Michael has posted. William signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > > Manifest?! > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > Gentoo? Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a review thread? -- Sam Jorna (wraeth) GnuPG ID: 0xD6180C26
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 21:16, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > On 09/02/20 20:59, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >> On 09/02/20 20:57, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >>> On 09/02/20 20:55, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > Manifest?! Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to Gentoo? >>> There's a really simple method to deal with that .. would you like me to >>> explain, or would that be 'useless' too? >>> >> For the benefit of other readers, it's clear Michal is incapable of >> implementing the measures I am thinking of .. or simply isn't aware of what >> they might be? >> which is quite unusual for a developer of his supposed capability ... >> > For the avoidance of doubt, whilst my ban from this list is enacted, here > is the list of "Unacceptable behaviour" from the Gentoo Code of Conduct[1]. > > "Deciding to suspend or ban someone isn't a decision to be taken lightly, > but sometimes it has to happen. Below is a list of things that could result > in disciplinary action. * Flaming and trolling. What is trolling? You are > deemed to be trolling if you make comments intended to provoke an angry > response from others. What is flaming? Flaming is the act of sending or > posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. > * Posting/participating only to incite drama or negativity rather than to > tactfully share information. > * Being judgmental, mean-spirited or insulting. It is possible to > respectfully challenge someone in a way that empowers without being > judgemental. > * Constantly purveying misinformation despite repeated warnings." > > It is left as an exercise for the reader, who is transgressing here... > My final posting to this list (for posting this I am insuring my permanent banning) here is the correspondence from the "ComRel" or Community Relations bug (currently private) in the subject of 'policing' the mailing lists: -- David Seifert gentoo-dev 2020-02-10 15:18:53 GMT M. J. Everitt (veremitz on IRC) has used the dev ML to post general chatter which contributes zero to the discussion at hand and just lowers the signal-to-noise ratio. Previously, when the ML had a whitelist instead of a blacklist, I requested his removal already (bug 664688), and I'd like comrel to vote on blacklisting him posting to the gentoo-dev ML. Examples: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/786a4475d72b67937716c9624354ba17 https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg87819.html (ml was down at the time) Reproducible: Always David Seifert 2020-02-10 15:19:19 GMT Group: Community Relations [tag] [reply] [\u2212] Comment 1 David Seifert gentoo-dev 2020-02-10 15:20:35 GMT I vote yes (for a permanent ban). [tag] [reply] [\u2212] Comment 2 Luca Barbato gentoo-dev 2020-02-10 20:05:37 GMT I warned him again. Once he steps again out of boundary I'd link both warnings and have him permabanned.- Farewell folks. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/2020 22:16, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: It is left as an exercise for the reader, who is transgressing here... I warned you [once][1] that this kind of banter is not welcome. This is the second warning. lu [1]: https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg87818.html
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 1:16 PM Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > On 09/02/20 20:59, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > > On 09/02/20 20:57, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > >> On 09/02/20 20:55, Michał Górny wrote: > >>> On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > Manifest?! > >>> Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > >>> everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > >>> Gentoo? > >>> > >> There's a really simple method to deal with that .. would you like me to > >> explain, or would that be 'useless' too? > >> > > For the benefit of other readers, it's clear Michal is incapable of > > implementing the measures I am thinking of .. or simply isn't aware of what > > they might be? > > which is quite unusual for a developer of his supposed capability ... > > > For the avoidance of doubt, whilst my ban from this list is enacted, here > is the list of "Unacceptable behaviour" from the Gentoo Code of Conduct[1]. > > "Deciding to suspend or ban someone isn't a decision to be taken lightly, > but sometimes it has to happen. Below is a list of things that could result > in disciplinary action. * Flaming and trolling. What is trolling? You are > deemed to be trolling if you make comments intended to provoke an angry > response from others. What is flaming? Flaming is the act of sending or > posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. > * Posting/participating only to incite drama or negativity rather than to > tactfully share information. > * Being judgmental, mean-spirited or insulting. It is possible to > respectfully challenge someone in a way that empowers without being > judgemental. > * Constantly purveying misinformation despite repeated warnings." > > It is left as an exercise for the reader, who is transgressing here... > "Technically I'm not violating the rules" is the weakest argument. Can you just please save everyone the headache of litigating this and act a little more professional and a little less silly on the mailing list? (And on IRC if I'm asking) Here's a good approximation to determine whether your mail is worth sending: before you press send, ask yourself if the person you're replying to gains anything by reading your reply. If the answer is on the range "unlikely" to "no", then just don't send the reply.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 20:59, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > On 09/02/20 20:57, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >> On 09/02/20 20:55, Michał Górny wrote: >>> On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of Manifest?! >>> Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments >>> everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to >>> Gentoo? >>> >> There's a really simple method to deal with that .. would you like me to >> explain, or would that be 'useless' too? >> > For the benefit of other readers, it's clear Michal is incapable of > implementing the measures I am thinking of .. or simply isn't aware of what > they might be? > which is quite unusual for a developer of his supposed capability ... > For the avoidance of doubt, whilst my ban from this list is enacted, here is the list of "Unacceptable behaviour" from the Gentoo Code of Conduct[1]. "Deciding to suspend or ban someone isn't a decision to be taken lightly, but sometimes it has to happen. Below is a list of things that could result in disciplinary action. * Flaming and trolling. What is trolling? You are deemed to be trolling if you make comments intended to provoke an angry response from others. What is flaming? Flaming is the act of sending or posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. * Posting/participating only to incite drama or negativity rather than to tactfully share information. * Being judgmental, mean-spirited or insulting. It is possible to respectfully challenge someone in a way that empowers without being judgemental. * Constantly purveying misinformation despite repeated warnings." It is left as an exercise for the reader, who is transgressing here... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 20:57, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > On 09/02/20 20:55, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >>> Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of >>> Manifest?! >> Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments >> everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to >> Gentoo? >> > There's a really simple method to deal with that .. would you like me to > explain, or would that be 'useless' too? > For the benefit of other readers, it's clear Michal is incapable of implementing the measures I am thinking of .. or simply isn't aware of what they might be? which is quite unusual for a developer of his supposed capability ... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 20:55, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >> Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of >> Manifest?! > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to > Gentoo? > There's a really simple method to deal with that .. would you like me to explain, or would that be 'useless' too? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > Manifest?! Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless comments everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit to Gentoo? -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 20:47, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 09, 2020 at 08:38:23PM +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: >> On 09/02/20 20:31, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > ... >> Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of >> Manifest?! > No, but I wanted to show scale of Manifest that is going to be present > in covering all the dependencies for static-build languages like Golang. > > Every entry in EGO_SUM is 2-3 files that need to be fetched (two tiny > files, one a bit larger [zip of source]). > > app-admin/kube-bench has _77_ dependencies, each with 3 distfiles. > Yoikes, gotcha ! :] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On Sun, Feb 09, 2020 at 08:38:23PM +, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt wrote: > On 09/02/20 20:31, Robin H. Johnson wrote: ... > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review 232 lines of > Manifest?! No, but I wanted to show scale of Manifest that is going to be present in covering all the dependencies for static-build languages like Golang. Every entry in EGO_SUM is 2-3 files that need to be fetched (two tiny files, one a bit larger [zip of source]). app-admin/kube-bench has _77_ dependencies, each with 3 distfiles. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85 GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
On 09/02/20 20:31, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Signed-off-by: Robin H. Johnson > --- > app-admin/kube-bench/Manifest | 232 ++ > .../kube-bench/kube-bench-0.2.3-r1.ebuild | 120 + > 2 files changed, 352 insertions(+) > create mode 100644 app-admin/kube-bench/kube-bench-0.2.3-r1.ebuild > > diff --git app-admin/kube-bench/Manifest app-admin/kube-bench/Manifest > index 0321873230e4..700b432ae04e 100644 > --- app-admin/kube-bench/Manifest > +++ app-admin/kube-bench/Manifest > @@ -1,3 +1,171 @@ > +DIST cloud.google.com%2Fgo%2F@v%2Fv0.37.4.info 51 BLAKE2B > 0b87b5b8f8ea4ccdd26272750a7fe8d9228d451c46b166f4478c89c0c7918bb6eb2d611c416795ea9e09c121754eed102933e996b6f4a731ad0a50cb97a01875 > SHA512 > ad485c9d6b16cbc36ec0e3b85ba9d80f7d46f68f8fb36bcfe721774a6e46d04a23705b166d8f606ca44d21fd412c97fc0d68f2e0d9a33011cc89aa9e9a856229 > +DIST cloud.google.com%2Fgo%2F@v%2Fv0.37.4.mod 1006 BLAKE2B > ed912b9fe91ee4e16f58b599232ea85bc1f994a290e8f514f6d053bad6312422c18e868b9d419079c63cd547781dcf82994b53af6ef10bb23fea05b66f55747f > SHA512 > 8e12292cb0c83d0ea8d4227c27fdabaed182de6f42bc6a29bd53848c41c87754994dd50df282ff30ab78411d54a6667a371d84b620d1b02f3f953429e3c2e97b > +DIST cloud.google.com%2Fgo%2F@v%2Fv0.37.4.zip 2717957 BLAKE2B > d5de25820cbee7f89ca2fce9c721b59839c1d1c38023e5d0ae153423b3ffc6b5e344d978d5a5cd18f99f732b56946a779adf82b1074eb78a2feccbdbd9962739 > SHA512 > 7bb51ac0b816eb709386e0116fdd2e7cd9f3e6dc55db7b0d2ea5e221b45647b05452da36839ef840c701d74fa0aabd71b92459944761b686aa91379f935ca5dc > +DIST github.com%2F!burnt!sushi%2Ftoml%2F@v%2Fv0.3.1.info 50 BLAKE2B > 142643662a79ba5e13604668b5e5983c53c794ad5f6185e25bf4906c6a5a57f04fe30ff33be7da434799dea50e8562a68717a889f046eeb1776479ca781afb49 > SHA512 > 1e953b8c664b2c25982d7458129e61a41e9b91a75eea46ce2d0932fd14ea6a425810d1fb4dfe32988a41fa4bb975bdcd04a03439b7474b3d288a4b2d46067bd6 > +DIST github.com%2F!burnt!sushi%2Ftoml%2F@v%2Fv0.3.1.mod 34 BLAKE2B > ce54a247aef91043830bdf0603c8452ba38eceb1495af6e7a74c9119234a0dc5cd080cb25258c28f5e270acf91189a5ed33e361cbf17de2be5e37dadbda1d90d > SHA512 > 320941bc3b7fb8bc595e6135cbc513a7583d129f0cd92508055291e141191066303cf75148e25198c21f6c6c539a790ea3210f3ecf5de6a2a03b70c753091146 > +DIST github.com%2F!burnt!sushi%2Ftoml%2F@v%2Fv0.3.1.zip 56132 BLAKE2B > 5edcfe991d7fc40094d637bae8d8d6f1f897ab3d3786ade2bb80287738103264520681ced8d30d2037253206c32d3f867f4d024a571cb9aad030ebc451e198eb > SHA512 > 43ed64ae515738487e9b75a2290d0b2bc25e83c021a9f29b21487c37adbf34e74e1e7d3d5ec0dfe678c8396356f95c3993a5f5610d1791ff62056cd182a4272f > +DIST github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Fpurell%2F@v%2Fv1.1.1.info 87 BLAKE2B > 5ba3587337f8cd5c67c84a707a6af2511996a78fdba29e7cc5a3a2d1ae9a0a56169b663f00831687d615786f89eb57b606d6e6106bae58e91290f4360e048152 > SHA512 > 37aba7f1fe097944d8f9600f02a578786015e955c67ade275329ca932e827765a279ac7af9795a2f607df4ae8663602ff1aa942c85674e8bbbef5b2d01a84d7e > +DIST github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Fpurell%2F@v%2Fv1.1.1.mod 37 BLAKE2B > 9aad8d876b88c7c8976667747135ea2496c21542d029e879d80490e9d979923ac3060f65ddc443044db8eff2f92e2eed6b18682822f6b5706c5605d8de92ecbb > SHA512 > 8382734877c9dc6a9c8a59b12d9735b6f971ea72ddeeb9985ea0cd0573820991a4b936baa1a643d38b694f1df7395d7b0d119f4f52be8d947f00adba96773989 > +DIST github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Fpurell%2F@v%2Fv1.1.1.zip 15402 BLAKE2B > efbf0c8a3f7e771b5a90ff620bfd513d476e21a672e3f7446202861121dcea08fa95d33b0438b6f1882273630e3cfe756c5934a14a1ab6b2676b117273616097 > SHA512 > 4c39d0907455b1c60e539e8497477e676bf7656c3b30996d55104d6129ebaa02079e5d7d27856352446ec2570c54f0d945be83e2a3445a025c85d12834120ea6 > +DIST > github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Furlesc%2F@v%2Fv0.0.0-20170810143723-de5bf2ad4578.info > 78 BLAKE2B > 624792caee6d10a9767136e6206baa0f6874a126ceeba764c40dcf697850bc723299dd028c5c254262fc25a5b5b84878b0b874f71a267c9199a003f94150ddcb > SHA512 > 5fa248cefba87b4376c9ebf40b8d271fba646106c68b903c90262344d054def1e7da472d059d09ae98b9c1f4ed2570e116eddf84cf544f839a49f312ed5b0e89 > +DIST > github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Furlesc%2F@v%2Fv0.0.0-20170810143723-de5bf2ad4578.mod > 37 BLAKE2B > 28c9393f5171487d23b732afcbb1d3d835d13d1a63b7e852fd3205925742fcf5a686c39b0600359e9052770360e9396f6bfe52aecb51e3ed0a23611a2853 > SHA512 > a2b3211e3520fdef3d5c1991b5ad4b3745f4bb1b49be3afc5b1936c82b2a3058231b6cc17c63c85402cae0b80f037a70051d42738e89a708865e43dabf7b7b8a > +DIST > github.com%2F!puerkito!bio%2Furlesc%2F@v%2Fv0.0.0-20170810143723-de5bf2ad4578.zip > 8169 BLAKE2B > 61db06641c2c1db4102b72c097f63fae0bff296481556fa16e66ddd1808478aded29256befdc3d767b72f3abc91e376ae61656f8da2cfbfbb5ffbfe3fde20361 > SHA512 > 9746be89f7fc5d50acd6376f77d43754e4a40d9da173a0b3226b78b1b1fab9afd859f15332ae5a429ce1e0e85227ceef05d94f2237c4969a8e6fc5e8454937e6 > +DIST github.com%2Fdavecgh%2Fgo-spew%2F@v%2Fv1.1.1.info 50 BLAKE2B > 6189d1d85ef1da6c5f08a41697fc1690d6bf3cbef094affefdf78aa5c4e2342facdb1799d17c2bb1095184b0088f91e3ed54278857e82b5c1b5ed18af3923434 > SHA512 > 483c62e4
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum - diff vs previous version example
Attached is the diff between the EGO_VENDOR vs EGO_SUM variants of this ebuild. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85 GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136 --- kube-bench-0.2.3.ebuild 2020-01-23 15:36:33.995072140 -0800 +++ kube-bench-0.2.3-r1.ebuild 2020-02-09 12:29:57.346606525 -0800 @@ -3,78 +3,95 @@ EAPI=7 EGO_PN=github.com/aquasecurity/kube-bench -inherit go-module DESCRIPTION="Kubernetes Bench for Security runs the CIS Kubernetes Benchmark" HOMEPAGE="https://github.com/aquasecurity/kube-bench"; -EGO_VENDOR=( - "github.com/PuerkitoBio/purell v1.1.1" - "github.com/PuerkitoBio/urlesc de5bf2ad4578" - "github.com/davecgh/go-spew v1.1.1" - "github.com/emicklei/go-restful v2.9.6" - "github.com/evanphx/json-patch v4.5.0" - "github.com/fatih/color v1.5.0" - "github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.4.7" - "github.com/go-openapi/jsonpointer v0.19.2" - "github.com/go-openapi/jsonreference v0.19.2" - "github.com/go-openapi/spec v0.19.2" - "github.com/go-openapi/swag v0.19.2" - "github.com/gogo/protobuf v1.2.1" - "github.com/golang/glog 23def4e6c14b" - "github.com/golang/protobuf v1.3.1" - "github.com/google/gofuzz v1.0.0" - "github.com/googleapis/gnostic v0.3.0" - "github.com/hashicorp/hcl v1.0.0" - "github.com/imdario/mergo v0.3.5" - "github.com/inconshreveable/mousetrap v1.0.0" - "github.com/jinzhu/gorm 5174cc5c242a" - "github.com/jinzhu/inflection 1c35d901db3d" - "github.com/json-iterator/go v1.1.6" - "github.com/konsorten/go-windows-terminal-sequences v1.0.1" - "github.com/lib/pq 83612a56d3dd" - "github.com/magiconair/properties v1.8.0" - "github.com/mailru/easyjson da37f6c1e481" - "github.com/mattn/go-colorable 5411d3eea597" - "github.com/mattn/go-isatty 57fdcb988a5c" - "github.com/mitchellh/mapstructure v1.1.2" - "github.com/modern-go/concurrent bacd9c7ef1dd" - "github.com/modern-go/reflect2 v1.0.1" - "github.com/onsi/ginkgo v1.10.1" - "github.com/pelletier/go-toml v1.2.0" - "github.com/pkg/errors v0.8.1" - "github.com/pmezard/go-difflib v1.0.0" - "github.com/sirupsen/logrus v1.4.1" - "github.com/spf13/afero v1.2.2" - "github.com/spf13/cast v1.3.0" - "github.com/spf13/cobra v0.0.3" - "github.com/spf13/jwalterweatherman v1.0.0" - "github.com/spf13/pflag v1.0.3" - "github.com/spf13/viper v1.4.0" - "github.com/stretchr/objx v0.2.0" - "github.com/stretchr/testify v1.3.0" - "golang.org/x/crypto 5c40567a22f8 github.com/golang/crypto" - "golang.org/x/net 3b0461eec859 github.com/golang/net" - "golang.org/x/oauth2 9f3314589c9a github.com/golang/oauth2" - "golang.org/x/sys d432491b9138 github.com/golang/sys" - "golang.org/x/text v0.3.2 github.com/golang/text" - "golang.org/x/time 9d24e82272b4 github.com/golang/time" - "google.golang.org/appengine v1.5.0 github.com/golang/appengine" - "gopkg.in/inf.v0 v0.9.1 github.com/go-inf/inf" - "gopkg.in/yaml.v2 v2.2.4 github.com/go-yaml/yaml" - "k8s.io/api 6e4e0e4f393b github.com/kubernetes/api" - "k8s.io/apimachinery 6a84e37a896d github.com/kubernetes/apimachinery" - "k8s.io/client-go v11.0.0 github.com/kubernetes/client-go" - "k8s.io/klog v0.3.3 github.com/kubernetes/klog" - "k8s.io/kube-openapi db7b694dc208 github.com/kubernetes/kube-openapi" - "k8s.io/utils 6ca3b61696b6 github.com/kubernetes/utils" - "sigs.k8s.io/kind v0.5.1 github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kind" - "sigs.k8s.io/kustomize/v3 4b67a6de1296 github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kustomize" - "sigs.k8s.io/yaml v1.1.0 github.com/kubernetes-sigs/yaml" +EGO_SUM=( + "cloud.google.com/go v0.37.4 h1:glPeL3BQJsbF6aIIYfZizMwc5LTYz250bDMjttbBGAU=" + "github.com/BurntSushi/toml v0.3.1 h1:WXkYYl6Yr3qBf1K79EBnL4mak0OimBfB0XUf9Vl28OQ=" + "github.com/PuerkitoBio/purell v1.1.1 h1:WEQqlqaGbrPkxLJWfBwQmfEAE1Z7ONdDLqrN38tNFfI=" + "github.com/PuerkitoBio/urlesc v0.0.0-20170810143723-de5bf2ad4578 h1:d+Bc7a5rLufV/sSk/8dngufqelfh6jnri85riMAaF/M=" + "github.com/davecgh/go-spew v1.1.1 h1:vj9j/u1bqnvCEfJOwUhtlOARqs3+rkHYY13jYWTU97c=" + "github.com/denisenkom/go-mssqldb v0.0.0-20190515213511-eb9f6a1743f3 h1:tkum0XDgfR0jcVVXuTsYv/erY2NnEDqwRojbxR1rBYA=" + "github.com/emicklei/go-restful v2.9.6+incompatible h1:tfrHha8zJ01ywiOEC1miGY8st1/igzWB8OmvPgoYX7w=" + "github.com/erikstmartin/go-testdb v0.0.0-20160219214506-8d10e4a1bae5 h1:Yzb9+7DPaBjB8zlTR87/ElzFsnQfuHnVUVqpZZIcV5Y=" + "github.com/evanphx/json-patch v4.5.0+incompatible h1:ouOWdg56aJriqS0huScTkVXPC5IcNrDCXZ6OoTAWu7M=" + "github.com/fatih/color v1.5.0 h1:vBh+kQp8lg9XPr56u1CPrWjFXtdphMoGWVHr9/1c+A0=" + "github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.4.7 h1:IXs+QLmnXW2CcXuY+8Mzv/fWEsPGWxqefPtCP5CnV9I=" + "github.com/go-openapi/jsonpointer v0.19.2 h1:A9+F4Dc/MCNB5jibxf6rRvOvR/iFgQdyNx9eIhnGqq0=" + "github.com/go-openapi/jsonreference v0.19.2 h1:o20suLFB4Ri0tuzpWtyHlh7E7HnkqTNLq6aR6WVNS1w=" + "github.com/go-openapi/spec v0.19.2 h1:SStNd1jRcYtfKCN7R0laGNs80WYYvn5CbBjM2sOmCrE=" + "github.com/go-openapi/swag v0.19.2 h1:jvO6bCMBEilGwMfHhrd61zIID4oIFdwb76V17SM88dE=" + "github.com/go-sq