Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 03:35 +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Bryan, It's been a pleasure working with you and getting to know you this past year and a half. I've learnt a lot and you've been a rock, you've been inspirational and motivational.. You've been a great mentor in many aspects and an amazing friend. I look forward to working with you further on the other two OSS projects we are involved with together and I hope you made the right decision when you chose to step down. Christelx signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard wrote: Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Just as Marius already said, I usually also don't participate in the goodbye and thanks for all the fish-threads - but this one is kinda special. Bryan is one of the few non-German Gentoo Developers I met several times and we had much fun every time - at least this was my impression. I was already looking forward for meeting you again at the UK Meeting in July ... so ... yeah ... I'm really sad to see you go :( For whatever you're doing next I'd wish you as much luck and fun as I can. Thanks for your contributions and being an important part of Gentoo in the past few years! Tobias signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Hi Bryan, On Thursday 31 May 2007 03:35, Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Thanks for all the work you've done for Gentoo, I know it's not always been fun. Good luck with your future projects and please do keep us posted somehow :-). -- Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen (Jaervosz) pgpix8gA2CDNX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 03:35 +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard I'm going to punch you in the ribs really hard if I ever meet you. I count on a few people in this project and you are one of them. I'm really disappointed you are rolling out on us without no for warning. I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. None the less. I wish you the best in your future endeavors. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how bad it is... -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I'm sad to see you go :( You've helped me a lot (in fact very, very much) to be a good developer. Maybe it's possible for you to take a few weeks off instead of permanently leaving Gentoo? Just like Luis suggested? -- Krzysiek Pawlik nelchael at gentoo.org key id: 0xBC51 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, x86, java, apache, ppc... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 08:47 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:05:13 -0700 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand your frustration and all but I expected and assumed you had big balls.. It takes more balls to go against the prevailing stagnation than to just sit by idly and remain content with the situation no matter how bad it is... perhaps sometimes yes.. None the less I dislike losing core people so quickly who helped out on the back-end to keep things flowing .. He will be missed for sure. -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Really sad to see you go :-( You where the one who got me into this mess. Well, good luck to you where ever you may go. Any chance on you coming back later on? Bjarke / GurliGebis Bryan Østergaard skrev: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXolEO+Ewtpi9rLERAnQUAJ49otKHGgBcgc2LMXw0kMpYwn6pagCfTr27 Us9VdDgyZtiEmi/oZPRbqX8= =yKlP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. kloeri: I don't think everything you did was perfect, but i believe you always had the best for Gentoo in mind when you made your decisions. Overall i think you did a fine job, sorry to see you go, thanks for the fish and kthxbyebye. :-) cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org http://forums.gentoo.org || http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/proctors/ forum-mods (at) gentoo.org || proctors (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums || #gentoo-proctors (freenode) pgpaBITX1eoGm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [half-PROCTOLOGISTS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. This is an official anti-proctors do-you-guys-really-nitpick-every-fucking-email-especially-ones-from-ciaran post. I specifically quoted the part where you were making a big deal out of nothing. Seriously, if common sense within Gentoo has degraded to the point where you have to puff your chests out about silly stuff like this, then perhaps Ciaran is truly correct in his assessment of the general (in)sanity of people. -Steve signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. +1 from the i usually don't wave goodbye crowd. Sad to see you go. - -- Gustavo Zacarias Gentoo/SPARC monkey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7-ecc0.1.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXtB3V3G/IBCn/JARAro6AJ9w5s94Gj+lnM+qHL4TOBS6xGYqmwCcCGPW DW0mnaL2skuuEV/XE2POHnI= =8BGd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-Original Message- From: Wernfried Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:35:20AM +0200, Bryan Østergaard wrote: No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. I specifically also put in the quote by Bryan, because your comment in this thread seems to sum up the problem quite nicely. If we can't even have a thread where a developer leaves out of frustration without general insults from you, there may be the need for the proctors to do something about it. So please, be nice to other people. Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully disagree. I do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than another person stating sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave - by your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best. Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was paying Bryan a compliment. Kind regards, Christina Fullam Gentoo Developer Relations | Conflict Resolution GWN Author -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 10:22:31AM -0400, Chrissy Fullam wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 03:01:07AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Amne, I do value your opinion but in this case, I respectfully disagree. Fair enough. I do not see the harm in what Ciaran said above to be any greater than another person stating sad to see one of the best/key/etc leave - by your standards that would imply the rest of us are less than best. That would be a positive statement because it would imply the other people are normal, and Bryan was one of the best, which is a positive statement. Saying one of the few remaining sane people is a generally negative statement that is judgemental towards the whole community, which is what the the CoC/proctors are supposed to proactively discourage. I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous environment. All i was asking ciaranm is to be nice to people. Ciaran may be controversial at times, but I think we can see that he was paying Bryan a compliment. I even admitted it was meant as a compliment, see above. Hope that clears things up a bit. cheers, Wernfried PS: If anyone feels tempted to reply to this, please take it to the gentoo-proctors list instead of -dev, we're getting OT here. ;-) -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org http://forums.gentoo.org || http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/proctors/ forum-mods (at) gentoo.org || proctors (at) gentoo.org #gentoo-forums || #gentoo-proctors (freenode) pgp9x8uol4g82.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:20 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think much worse things have been said on this list before, but still statements like that are the basis of a poisonous environment. And statements like that are a large part of what caused this thread to begin with... -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo! [THOSE AREN'T PROCTORS...] [eroyf, you're in here too]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Kloeri, Always a shame to see one of our own retire. Best wishes and luck to you in your new life. But a word of advise to both you and eroyf. tar up all of your gentoo related stuff - scripts, shell rc files with tweaks, etc., and stuff them somewhere safe. Because when you come back - and oh yes, you both will be back - it will make things easier for you. Because Gentoo is like a fungus. A creeping, semi-sentient, not-so-good on pizza, certainly not up to shitake or portabello standards, fungus, that has crept into your lives. And if you think walking away will remove those vestigial tendrils that are attached to your hips, think again, because fungi spread by spore, so that last breath you thought you took in Gentoo land was laden with spores, and right now you are still a walking, breathing carrier. And not once do I believe the proctors needed to be involved. And if anyone DOES protest, it will just prove how reasonable and ahead of my times I am in recognizing the invading semi-sentient fungus armies. - -- - -o()o-- Michael Cummings |#gentoo-dev, #gentoo-perl Gentoo Perl Dev|on irc.freenode.net Gentoo/SPARC Gentoo/AMD64 GPG: 0543 6FA3 5F82 3A76 3BF7 8323 AB5C ED4E 9E7F 4E2E - -o()o-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXvUtq1ztTp5/Ti4RAnlUAJ4jx90UWb1G93S7RqaQeyGgyV9pgwCeM2Z2 /55Ro7e3C628bkFy4e41JBw= =QvZY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are. Seriously, get a grip. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [half-PROCTORS] Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Please everyone, keep flames off this list. Thank you. On 5/31/07, Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:58:00 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take this as a compliment to Bryan, but then still you are implying that most of the people here are not sane. Remember people, you can't compliment anyone now, because doing so implies that everyone else is less valuable than they are. Seriously, get a grip. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Ioannis Aslanidis deathwing00[at]gentoo.org 0xB9B11F4E -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Bryan Østergaard schrieb: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo but what can I do Juergen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
Juergen.Schinker wrote: Bryan Østergaard schrieb: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. Aj! kloeri! No! i want you to stay, you are important for Gentoo but what can I do Bribe him! Benno -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard Sad to see you go Bryan, You were one of the first Gentoo developers i met, and you were really a great help to get me started in this community; i bet many people owe you the same Thanks and i wish you luck in your future projects, P.S: Wouldn't you just like to take the Gentoo-one-month-off vacation to relax a bit? - -- Luis F. Araujo araujo at gentoo.org Gentoo Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGXiiVaTNpke9pJcURAifyAJ9w7SqqRxk1a6WLOV0bKXwx7N74TQCfV7fV vBb/0K7ygzOjWcPzejSdY8E= =cdel -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:35:20 +0200 Bryan Østergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. Sad to see one of the few remaining sane people leave. But equally, I'm really looking forward to seeing your next project. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Østergaard wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I'm sorry to see another key developer leaving Gentoo. :( I hope you'll come back someday... ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXj4AozkEeOnWD00RApXkAKDVhdHijzlfGkI0Ul0W5445IOQ/VwCfYfjj QpdDAZ67VXamxCJj/HI6erY= =jqpG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Bye Gentoo!
On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:35:20 +0200 Bryan Østergaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's with a bit of sadness but also a bit of relief that I'm finally retiring from Gentoo. I've been a Gentoo developer for nearly 4 years now and I like to at least pretend that I've made some important contributions to Gentoo during that time. I've had a lot of fun but my frustrations have grown these past several months and I've been entertaining the idea about retiring from Gentoo for probably 6 months now. The past couple months the desire to leave Gentoo have become much stronger and I think it's finally time for me and Gentoo to go our separate ways. I think I've put my fingerprint on Gentoo in quite a few important ways but lately I've come to the realization that I probably can't do any more for Gentoo. No matter how hard I try fighting for what I feel is right we seem to end up with petty fights, flamewars or what I consider even worse - people simply ignore what I'm working hard towards. So I think it's high time that I leave the project and start looking for another project where I can contribute something important and not just try to keep afloat in a project that I seem to be at odds with to an ever increasing degree. I'll try to reach all the projects I'm leaving over the next few days and see if I can pass on my work in a reasonable manner. I probably won't be around much on irc but if you really need to contact me you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck to all of you and may Gentoo development be as much fun for you as it used to be for me. Best regards, Bryan Østergaard Sad to see you go... 'tis gonna be strange without you around... Best of luck with whatever you go to do next. welp signature.asc Description: PGP signature
