Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:40 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
 Thilo Bangert napsal(a):
  this seems to come up more often than you like. is this the release 
  tracker bug?
  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814
  
  kind regards
  Thilo
 
 
 Yeah. It's restricted to developers only, though, so not much useful for
 users. :)

Yeah, I did that because we had users adding their favorite apps to the
snapshot tracker, which had absolutely no place there.  All in all, we
have found that things seem to work best when we just hide in our little
corner of IRC, shut up, and work.  We use the tracker bug during the
initial snapshot phase since we're reporting bugs in the tree.  Once
we've taken the snapshot, however, we don't use bugs since many of them
are fixed in the tree, but not in our snapshot.  Currently, I keep track
of the release via a spreadsheet, but I've been working towards getting
a project tracking software package setup and configured to replace this
functionality.  Of course, that tracker won't be public.  It's much
simpler to answer the few questions we get than it is to answer the
floods of questions we *used* to get when we posted dates everywhere.
The nature of the tree simply makes it impossible for us to accurately
estimate a release date.  This release we even went so far as to create
a completely new snapshot due to there being so many changes necessary
in our original one and the packages getting too stale.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Jakub Moc
Chris Gianelloni napsal(a):
 On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:40 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
 Thilo Bangert napsal(a):
 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156814
 Yeah. It's restricted to developers only, though, so not much useful for
 users. :)
 
 Yeah, I did that because we had users adding their favorite apps to the
 snapshot tracker, which had absolutely no place there. 

I'm not implying there's anything wrong w/ restricting the bug; just
that pointing users here to it won't get them very far. ;)

 Currently, I keep track of the release via a spreadsheet  but I've
been working towards getting
 a project tracking software package setup and configured to replace this
 functionality. 

Sounds cool, good luck. Homebrew one, or something else? :)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 21:16 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
 I'm not implying there's anything wrong w/ restricting the bug; just
 that pointing users here to it won't get them very far. ;)

*I* didn't point anyone to that bug, as I knew it was locked and
wouldn't provide our users with much of anything in the way of
information regarding the release.

  Currently, I keep track of the release via a spreadsheet  but I've
 been working towards getting
  a project tracking software package setup and configured to replace this
  functionality. 
 
 Sounds cool, good luck. Homebrew one, or something else? :)

I'm using dotproject currently.  I am hoping that we can eventually move
it to another machine, but for the time being I just have to take the
time to fill in all of the tasks.  It really sucks when doing this since
every single task has to be duplicated for every architecture.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Alex Tarkovsky

On 4/13/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 21:16 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote:
 I'm not implying there's anything wrong w/ restricting the bug; just
 that pointing users here to it won't get them very far. ;)

*I* didn't point anyone to that bug, as I knew it was locked and
wouldn't provide our users with much of anything in the way of
information regarding the release.


The channel topic in #gentoo-releng points to it. Steered this user wrong.

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