I choose to use Gentoo because of the way that it's installed. If I
wanted something prefab I would be using Redhat. It's all about target
market, gentoo is targeted to a user base who understands the why not
just the how.
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 17:54, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> Okay, as a brand new hopeful user of Gentoo since yesterday, I feel
> qualified to at least voice a "newb" opinion. I've used Linux for several
> years. I was a pretty die-hard RedHat user until I heard all the positive
> hype about Gentoo. I *knew* going into it that it would be a bit tricky to
> setup. However, what I didn't really plan on, was just how annoying it is to
> setup every freakin' thing on a box in a tedious manner. I was told the
> stage-3 was the way to go, but I'm still compiling X and KDE and
> whatever-the-fsck-else I need just to get a GUI, two days later. This has
> several times made me want to chuck this installation out the window. The
> only reason I haven't is because my 'geek friends' and coworkers are all
> running it and keep quelling my pain by saying how nice it will be when I'm
> done. And they often help me set things up when I'm beating my fists on my
> notebook or extending a hand full of hair (recently pulled from my scalp).
>
> For this distro to take off, the installation needs to radically be improved
> and simplified, and the OOBE (out of box experience) needs to be improved by
> an order of magnitude! I could have installed Fedora or any other distro and
> been up and productive by now, or by yesterday for that matter.
>
> I *really* like the concept of Gentoo and I *really* would like to see it
> gain the market share it deserves. Portage/Emerge appears to be a very
> powerful and intelligent idea. But 24-hour compile times on a Pentium4
> 2.0Ghz with 640MB RAM is just maddening, frustrating and ridiculous. I
> thought Gentoo was supposed to use the binaries when it can? Surely someone
> else out there has compiled KDE, X, etc. for a Pentium4 class machine... Why
> isn't emerge getting them for me?!
>
> *g*
>
> Daevid Vincent
> http://daevid.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Scott Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:14 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] No XFree86 w/ new license
> >
> > We've ALREADY been staring at the same version of XFree for quite some
> > time. It's not exactly the most progressive or actively developed
> > package in the world. Its about time we see motivation for OTHER
> > packages to get the spotlight, and breathe new life into an area that
> > had been growing rather stale. Hooray for competition!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 18:05, Bryn Hughes wrote:
> > > ALL the distro's are having this same problem though. The current
> > > version of X works and is still available under the license it was
> > > released under. There's nothing stopping anyone from continuing to
> > > work with it for the time being, it just means new versions aren't
> > > necessarily going to find their way in to gentoo or several other
> > > distros for that matter. I don't think this is a case of
> > saying "oh
> > > well, no more GUI" but we may be staring at the same
> > version of X for a
> > > while.
> > >
> > > Bryn
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William Kenworthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 3:16 PM
> > To: Donnie Berkholz
> > Cc: gentoo-user List
> > Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] No XFree86 w/ new license
> >
> > I must agree that a gui is essential. Without this, most of gentoo's
> > user base will disappear overnight, as it will be useless for any
> > desktop application. Less users=less support, less development and
> > eventually oblivion.
> >
> > BillK
> >
> > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 00:05, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 10:57, Stewart wrote:
> > > > Yes, it is a major component. Nay, it is a critical
> > component. Without a
> > > > GUI, we may as well write our source code on toilet paper
> > and distribute
> > > > it to the developers to be used appropriately.
> > > >
> > > > Graphical User Environment = Market Acceptance. Period.
> > >
> > > You make the assumption that part of what makes Gentoo what
> > it is, is
> > > having X. This is not the case. It doesn't matter what you say about
> > > market acceptance, if Gentoo is not provided by default
> > with X (meaning
> > > X is part of "system" in my interpretation), it is not a "major
> > > component" of the "operating system."
> > >
> > > D
>
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