Re: [gentoo-user] Spider - you crack me up!

2004-02-05 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Thursday 05 February 2004 14:26, Spider wrote:
  From M$ article Q265230
 
  WORKAROUND
  To workaround this problem:
  Do not start messages with the word begin followed by two spaces.
  Use only one space between the word begin and the following data.
  Capitalize the word begin so that it is reads Begin.
  Use a different word such as start or commence.

 *G*  Glad you found it.  It just feels like a very bizarre solution
 by Microsoft. .

sort of like their workaround for that URL bug in IE they had... went 
something along the lines of wanting their users to manually type URLs into 
the address bar instead of clicking them if they were concerned about 
security (rather than fixing the bug)... ahh micro$oft.. always good for a 
laugh:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] java-config error

2003-12-10 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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I ran into this yesterda, re-emerging 'java-config' did the trick

On Tuesday 09 December 2003 18:23, Rudmer van Dijk wrote:
 On Tuesday 09 December 2003 21:46, Robert Cole wrote:
   * Setting sun-jdk-1.4.2.02 as default
   * Use java-config to reassign your VM.
  Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/java-config, line 15, in ?
  from java_config import jc_options
  ImportError: No module named java_config
 
  I tried installing sun's jdk and I get this so I removed it and tried
  java-config again with blackdown and I get the same error message.

 I wanted to upgrade postgresql, but it said:

 !!! ERROR: dev-db/postgresql-7.4-r1 failed.
 !!! Function check_java_config, Line 66, Exitcode 0
 !!! You need to use java-config to set your JVM to a JDK!

 so started java-config and got the same error...

  Also I noticed a lot of ebuilds want to change permissions on things and
  with the new 2.6 kernel it doesn't work because the new kernel uses a :
  instead of a . between the user and group. There a way to add
  compatibility to the new kernel for the old way?

 I'm also running 2.6 on a couple of boxes (not the one this error occured
 on) and it's not a kernel issue but one of ch{own,grp}:
 Usage: chown [OPTION]... OWNER[:[GROUP]] FILE...
   or:  chown [OPTION]... :GROUP FILE...
   or:  chown [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE...
 chown (coreutils) 5.0.91

   Rudmer


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Re: [gentoo-user] boot does not mount non-root filesystems

2003-12-07 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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Notice the 'noauto' option you have in your fstab for every one of your 
partitions.. this tells the mounter to 'not automatically' mount the 
partition:)... 

I believe they (gentoo-devs) used it for /boot so you dont accidentally mess 
up your kernel while running, and if you want to install a new kernel, you 
should manually mount /boot you must have copied and pasted that line not 
knowing what the 'noauto' meant:)

On December 7, 2003 04:13, Richard Ruth wrote:
 At the beginning of my first boot after installing
 gentoo (stage 1 install) there is an error message
 that states that I need to specify the filesystem type
 and that some filesystems are not being mounted.
 (There are subsequent errors but they are probably
 related to not having /var mounted ...)

 / mounts, but none of the other hard-disk based
 partitions mount.  Even /boot doesn't mount and that
 is where the kernel resides, and it obviously loads.
 After booting mounting by hand works.  Below are the
 contents of /proc/filesystems and /etc/fstab.

 reiserfs and ext2 file systems are compiled into my
 kernel, NOT as modules.

 Any suggestions on getting these partitions to mount
 at boot time would be appreciated.

 Thanks

 Richard

 /proc/filesystems

 nodev   rootfs
 nodev   bdev
 nodev   proc
 nodev   sockfs
 nodev   tmpfs
 nodev   shm
 nodev   pipefs
 ext3
 ext2
 nodev   ramfs
 nodev   devfs
 reiserfs
 nodev   usbdevfs
 nodev   usbfs


 /etc/fstab:

 # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
 # $Header:
 /home/cvsroot/gentoo-src/rc-scripts/etc/fstab,v 1.13
 2003/07/17 19:55:18 azarah Exp $
 #
 # noatime turns off atimes for increased performance
 (atimes normally aren't
 # needed; notail increases performance of ReiserFS (at
 the expense of storage
 # efficiency).  It's safe to drop the noatime options
 if you want and to
 # switch between notail and tail freely.

 # fs  mountpointtype
  opts  dump/pass

 # NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the
 notail option to opts.
 /dev/sdc1   /boot   ext2
  noauto,noatime,ro   0 2
 /dev/sdc7   /   reiserfs
  noauto,noatime  0 1
 /dev/sdc6   /varreiserfs
  noauto,noatime,notail   0 2
 /dev/sdc5   /tmpreiserfs
  noauto,noatime,notail   0 2

 /dev/sda2   noneswap
  sw  0 0
 /dev/sdc2   noneswap
  sw  0 0

 /dev/scd0   /mnt/cdrom  auto
  noauto,user,ro  0 0
 /dev/scd1   /mnt/cdrom1 auto
  noauto  0 0
 /dev/scd2   /mnt/cdrom2 auto
  noautor 0 0
 # /dev/cdroms/cdrom0/mnt/cdrom  iso9660
  noauto,ro   0 0

 # for usbfs
 none/proc/bus/usb   usbfs
  defaults0 0


 # NOTE: The next line is critical for boot!
 none/proc   proc
  defaults0 0

 # glibc 2.2 and above expects tmpfs to be mounted at
 /dev/shm for
 # POSIX shared memory (shm_open, shm_unlink).
 # (tmpfs is a dynamically expandable/shrinkable
 ramdisk, and will
 #  use almost no memory if not populated with files)
 # Adding the following line to /etc/fstab should take
 care of this:
 none/dev/shmtmpfs
  defaults0 0

 ps:  yes all of my gentoo partitions are on my third
 scsi disk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Support for 48bit lba Addressing

2003-12-02 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Tuesday 02 December 2003 16:44, Yogesh Sharma wrote:
 Mike Wojcikiewicz wrote:
  Not sure if this helps, but I have a 180gig WD drive mounted on /home
  with no
  special patching or anything (ext2, vanilla 2.4.22)..

 Just 2 more qn ?
 Is it a single parition or multiple parition ?
 Are you able to access 180 gb completely ?

Yep its one single mamooth partition (/dev/hdb1), and I set the reserved space 
to 0 obviously (otherwise root gets allocated 5% which is just wasteful on a 
drive that big:)

heres output of df -h for proof (it says 166, but yeah thats the harddrive 
companies for you)


/dev/hda8  13G  9.5G  2.7G  79% /
/dev/hda7  92M   18M   69M  21% /boot
/dev/hda1 3.5G  2.4G  1.1G  70% /mnt/dosc
/dev/hda5 5.4G  2.3G  3.2G  42% /mnt/dosd
/dev/hda6  36G   34G  2.2G  94% /mnt/dose
none  379M 0  379M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hdb1 166G  158G  7.5G  96% /home

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge problem with elfutils and libelf

2003-11-14 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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be careful though.. after i unmerged elfutils, and emerged libelf, a symlink 
for /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 was gone (instead it had libelf.so.0) so a bunch of 
things broke (screen at least was what i noticed).. revdep-rebuild never 
works for me, so I just symlinked /usr/lib/libelf.so.0 to /usr/lib/
libelf.so.1 and everything seems peachy

On Friday 14 November 2003 11:52, sf wrote:
 Chris Bare wrote:
  Calculating world dependencies ...done!
  [blocks B ] dev-libs/elfutils (from pkg dev-libs/libelf-0.8.2)
  [ebuild  N] dev-libs/libelf-0.8.2  +nls

 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33451

  I saw some people mentioning problems libelf on the forums, but not this
  one specifically. Has elfutils been replaced by libelf? Can I safely
  remove dev-libs/elfutils?
  Is that the right thing to do?

 I removed it but emerge -Dp world wants to emerge it again although
 qpkg -q elfutils shows no dependencies.

  I still have trouble reading the blocks message. I'm interpreting the
  above as:
 
  elfutils blocks libelf from being installed
 
  Is that correct? if so, the from pkg part is just confusing to me.

 I guess it is the other way around.

 Regards,
   Stephan



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: damned usb mouse again

2003-10-31 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Friday 31 October 2003 12:30, Roberto Padovani wrote:
 by the way,

 i also read the forums, as well as i tried to copy as much as possible from
 Knoppix, which is able to have my usb mouse work.

 to the RTFM guys, i don't know which other freaking manual to read :-(


Hmm isnt there also a usbmouse module you havent used?.. that does the trick 
for me (in addition to mousedev and input)

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Re: [gentoo-user] optimum disk performance

2003-10-30 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On October 30, 2003 09:50, Craig Main wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 16:38, Hall Stevenson wrote:
  At 09:17 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote:
  using_dma=  0 (off)
  
  What other hdparm flags can I _safely_ use, I don't want to trash my
  disk.
 
  The fact that DMA is *off* immediately jumped out at me. This can/should
  be on with any or most modern HDs and/or controllers.

 I get this when trying to enable dma, any ideas?

 laptop root # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda

 /dev/hda:
  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
  using_dma=  0 (off)

I used to get that after a kernel upgrade.. after some digging around it turns 
out i didnt have the right IDE chipset compiled into my kernel.. check yours 
and make sure youre using the right one and that its compiled IN to the 
kernel (as opposed to a module)
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Re: [gentoo-user] login problem

2003-10-14 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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I had this exact same problem yesterday.. couldnt log into KDE either.. it was 
indeeed pam.. the culprit was /etc/pam.d/login.. for some reason (I dont 
recall if i updated these files recently with etc-update), the file was using 
the pam module pam_unix2.so (which didnt exist on my system), switched it 
back to pam_unix.so and all my problems were solved.. hope this helps

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On Tuesday 14 October 2003 03:54, Davide Fanciola wrote:
 I will try your fix later, but I'm sure you are right!!
 I was suspecting the PAM

 Well, thanks a lot, Doug!

  -Original Message-
  From: Doug Weimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: lundi, 13. octobre 2003 23:40
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] login problem
 
  On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 10:14, Davide Fanciola wrote:
   The problem is that I cannot login in text-mode console!
   But the X-based login (entrance) is working fine.
  
   When I say anything I type, it means : any user account present on
   my system...
 
  Are you prompted for a password? If not, you probably have a bad
  /etc/pam.d/login. Information about this bug can be found here:
  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29563 . Basically, just move
  /etc/pam.d/login out of the way and reemerge sys-apps/shadow.
 
  Doug
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Re: [gentoo-user] Happy am i

2003-09-26 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Friday 26 September 2003 07:43, Jason Cooper wrote:
 Senectus - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled:
  LOL.. sounds like a challenge..
 
  :-)
 
  I know its OT.. But I couldn't help it.. after your like epilogue.. I
  remembered this :
  (Not written by me)
  Gospel of Tux unearthed (long)

 [Helluva snip]

  Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the
  Libraries and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions,
  until the end of the Epoch. Amen.
 
 
  Posted on Sat 06 Feb 15:50:24 1999 GMT
  Written by Lennier [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Damn, the sad thing is, I actually sat down and read the whole thing...
 Beautiful.  Brings a tear to my eye.

you're not the only one *sniff*... brilliant

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[gentoo-user] weird konqueror (kde 3.1.4) behaviour

2003-09-18 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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Finally got KDE 3.1.4 going last night, but i've noticed that for some reason 
whenever i type text into an input text field in konqueror, its always italic 
now.. anyone else getting this behaviour?.. is it a configuration thing or a 
legitimate KDE bug?
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Re: [gentoo-user] SCSI module loading problem

2003-09-18 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Thursday 18 September 2003 16:23, Bruce E. Harris wrote:
 Hi

 I am new Gentoo user. I got it installed and compiled but went I rebooted I
 got a panic error, the root partition is not mounted (all my HDDs are
 SCSI).

 It looks like I did not get the SCSI module to load during boot. I do have
 a working Linux system up now, and able to mout and edit everything in
 Gentoo. My question is what do I edit to load the SCSI module?

It should be as simple as compiling it into the kernel rather than as a 
module.. like when you make menuconfig, just make sure the option shows up as 
[*] instead of M

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Re: [gentoo-user] Perl C::DynaLib Question

2003-09-04 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Thursday 04 September 2003 14:44, Nicholas Pappas wrote:
   Has anyone worked with the C::DynaLib module in PERL, on Gentoo?  If
 so, how did you install it?
   I've tried emerage (but not in the portage tree), the cpan install
 program, and a manual install too.  On the last two I get a compile error.
   Anyone able to get this compile correctly?

while i havent worked with this personally, i think i might be able to help 
you out if you  post the compile error

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wanted: GUI programmer (GLIS)

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 12:57, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
 quote who=Karl-Heinz Zimmer

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  On Dienstag, 5. August 2003 18:13, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
  Want to work on a project that hundreds (thousands hopefully) will
  use? GLIS (Gentoo Linux Install Script) is looking for a GUI
  programmer to write a custom frontend for Gentoo's installer.  If you
  fit the bill and are interested, please email me :)  Thanks!
 
  I am interested - in case you agree that we do it using Qt.

 Qt?  Shouldn't it be in console languages (ncurses or dialog) given that
 this will be used to install gentoo.  I'm assuming there won't be X or qt
 libraries at this point.  Please correct me if I'm deluded.

I would also highly recommend going with qt.. if X is a problem, then 
qt-embedded or qt with directfb might be an option

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wanted: GUI programmer (GLIS)

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 13:45, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Well I dont think we should limit this project just to what is CURRENTLY
 on
 the LiveCD... if we need more libs, why not just add them to the LiveCD?

 Because then we have to wait on release cycles to implement what we want.
 Personally, I think that if we are going to do something like that then we
 should package the libs we need with the program and THEN request that
 they get on the liveCD.  That way we can have both a working program and
 enhance the liveCD...

Well a project of this ambition is going to take a while to write anyways.. I 
dont think we should look at release cycles as obstacles standing in the way, 
and instead Do It Right (tm) even if it takes more time.

The best solution seems to me to be what someone already suggested: write 
multiple frontends (gtk, qt, curses, etc) for the same app.. then the user 
can choose whatever they please...  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wanted: GUI programmer (GLIS)

2003-08-05 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 13:39, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I would also highly recommend going with qt.. if X is a problem, then
 qt-embedded or qt with directfb might be an option

 Is it possible to use qt with just the tools that are included on the
 liveCD?

Well I dont think we should limit this project just to what is CURRENTLY on 
the LiveCD... if we need more libs, why not just add them to the LiveCD?

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[gentoo-user] entranced as graphical login

2003-07-21 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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So I emerged entranced and setup make.conf to use it, but it either wont allow 
me to login at all, or if I disable pam_auth in its edb file, it starts kde 
but only KDesktop nothing else (and nothing else WILL start).. 

Seems its a PAM issue, but I dont know much about PAM.  I've tried copying 
over the xdm PAM file from /etc/pam.d to entrance, but that still results in 
nothing starting after KDesktop has been started. anyone else have this 
successfully setup?.. any hints?

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Re: [gentoo-user] decent browser?

2003-07-21 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Monday 21 July 2003 13:32, Shane Hickey wrote:
 Howdy all, I was having problems with Galeon and dependencies on mozilla
  1.4 and portage wanting to upgrade me to mozilla 1.4.  So, I got off
 the merry-go-round and emerge'd galeon-cvs from breakmygentoo.net.  Ugh.

 If this is the future of galeon, then I need to find a new browser.
 After having to run gconf-editor to get my middle-mouse button paste
 functionality back, I surfed around to get a feel for the new Galeon.  I
 don't know if it's just me, but it's slow as all get out.

 I had Mozilla up in another window and it would load the same page 5-7
 seconds (yes, I said seconds) faster than Galeon.

 So, I was wondering if people could recommend some good browsers.  I'm
 running fluxbox, so I don't need anything fancy.  The only reason I was
 running Galeon was because I really, really dig the tabs and the google,
 freshmeat and dictionary quickstart links (whatever the heck you call
 those).

 Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

I would highly recommend using Konqueror... other than the fact its probably 
the fastest browser I've yet to use on Linux (tried galeon, mozilla, opera), 
its got a great set of features built in: tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking 
aka smart javascript, all netscape plugins work in it, useragent changer, and 
i just love how the bookmarks are handled... 

KHTML (the HTML render part) is also getting lots of commits from Apple's own 
Safari browser which also uses KHTML, though more of those will probably make 
its way into the next KDE release (3.2 scheduled by the end of the year).  

There are also lots of other cool things built into it such as samba/sftp/ssh 
browsing, webpage translation (through babelfish IIRC), intelligent history 
and cookie handling, and its just all around kickass cuz its a part of KDE:)

just my $0.02 CDN

- --mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] Good code editor (with colors) for X (no GTK orQT)

2003-07-21 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On July 21, 2003 19:13, Ronald Kuwawi wrote:
 well with the quicker learning time also comes less frustration
 with adapting to new user interface. nedit has a quite familiar
 windows-feel whereas vim  emacs is more unix-feel.

hmmm.. I forget.. what OS is it we're all running:)?.. I say strive to be 
unix-like... emacs all the way baby! 

I prefer console with syntax hilighting turned on, and once you learn the 
keybindings youll find that magically the default bash mode (set -o emacs) 
has the same keybindings:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] stupid question !!

2003-07-18 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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*cough*cough*RTFM*cough*cough*

emerge --help:)

- --mike

On Friday 18 July 2003 06:04, blade- wrote:
 how to rebuild gentoo...
 
 emerge  - -p world
 
 xxx -  which is the correct option
 
 The option you need is -e
 
 Does than mean that emerge -e -p world would rebuild Gentoo?
 
 -p is for pretend, shows list of packages to install, drop it to do it
 
 So this means emerge -e world will rebuild Gentoo?
 
 Karl-Heinz
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel depends

2003-07-14 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Monday 14 July 2003 11:41, Cristiano Paris wrote:
 The xconfig of kernel 2.4.x series depends on wish, the TCL/TK visual
 interpreter. Sinci TCL/TK is not installed by default, I think is should
 be included in the dependency list of any kernel.

 Cristiano


No, this is a bad idea... xconfig assumes you want to run X in addition to 
tcl/tk.. I cant tell you how many people use gentoo with no X environment 
(myself included on several production machines) but there are a lot, and to 
make the kernel depend on having that installed is excessive.  If you need 
xconfig you probably know enough to emerge tcl/tk anyways.. I live in 
menuconfig quite happily, as I'm sure most people do:)

just my $0.02CDN

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Re: [gentoo-user] Dual display with 2 X Servers.

2003-07-13 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On July 13, 2003 14:34, Carlos wrote:
 Hey people,

   Is it possible to setup a dual-display but instead of using 2 video cards,
 using two full-blown systems and somehow link the 2 X Servers?

   I know this is sort of strange but it'd be a neat experiment for me to do.
 ;)

emerge x2x might do the trick

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Re: [gentoo-user] kmail, pinentry problem solved

2003-07-04 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
On Friday 04 July 2003 07:41, Kurt V. Hindenburg wrote:
 On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:16 pm, Norberto BENSA wrote:
  Yep, that *was* the error with 0.6.7 (actually, it was No
  passphrase.) Perhaps a regression? Here's the patch (from portage)

 Yea, that was it.  Odd that I have the same problem with 0.6.8 and
 0.6.9.  I may look at the this again when I have time.

I just did a fresh install following the instructions for getting OpenPGP 
working with KMail from the Aegypten homepage yesterday... 

i noticed that it didnt work with gpgme = 0.4.0, so after a downgrade to 
0.3.9 and USE=-gtk -ncurses emerge pinentry, the pinentry-qt dialog popped 
up fine inside KMail.. 

i think you have to have the USE flags set, otherwise it always defaults to 
trying to use the ncurses interface (the instructions on aegypten says to 
./configure --without-curses --without-gtk, equivalent of setting those USE 
flags)

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Re: [gentoo-user] setting proper permissions on a file/webserver

2003-07-04 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Friday 04 July 2003 13:34, daniel wrote:
 On July 4, 2003 01:24 pm, Mike Roest wrote:
  daniel wrote:
  snip
 
   is there a proper way to do this?  ideally, i want to be able to
   connect via samba, nfs, (development box) and ftp and ssh (live box).
 
  Create a group and add have them all as members of the group
  set group rw on the directory.

 i did that, but then if a user creates a directory inside that directory,
 it has permissions of 755, not 775.  so that only works one level deep.

 if i could force nfs and to write files with g+w permissions, then i could
 abandon ssh and just use samba, nfs, and ftp, but i don't think you can do
 that...

i believe you can just set the sticky bit on the topdir, and all subdirs will 
inherit the same permissions

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Re: [gentoo-user] SSH Problems

2003-06-06 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Friday 06 June 2003 08:33, Tracy LCpl Derek E wrote:
 I just emerged openssh and configured sshd for protocol 2 only, X11
 Forwarding, and to listen on port 80.  When at work (on a win2000 machine)
 I try to connect to my home computer via ssh (using putty on the W-Box) and
 it just quits nothing.  Then I try connecting to my home computer from my
 hppa-linux machine at work using ssh and it gives me this after about a
 minute: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host

 What gives can anyone give me some insight or point towards good
 documentation setting up ssh?  I have tried the openssh website but didn't
 find any help there.

It might be your ISP is blocking incoming port 80.  I've noticed a lot of ISPs 
have started doing that to enforce their 'no servers allowed' policies... i 
get 80 and 25 blocked on my cable modem provider:(.. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop + Gentoo

2003-06-05 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz
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On Wednesday 04 June 2003 11:02, Johnny Andersson wrote:
 I'm getting a laptop soon. Not the latest model, but reasonably useable
 (aiming for somewhere around 800 MHz, 256 meg).

 I'm using Gentoo on my desktop machine and I like it. I wonder if any of
 you have opinions on Gentoo on a laptop. I realize that the usual
 set-aside-a-day-to-compile-kde rules apply, but other than that, is Gentoo
 a wise choise for laptops? My theory is that as Gentoo is very
 customizable, and as you _have_ to compile your own kernel, the odds that
 you're gonna get your hardware working is good.

 Any comments? Or does anyone have good experiences with other distros on
 laptops?

I've been running gentoo on my crappy ole Trogon P2-333 128MB RAM for about a 
year now.. it took about 3 days to compile the system, but it runs it really 
well, better than any other distro i've tried on it (redhat, slak).. 

sure KDE/X is a bit of a memory hog, but even with 128MB it runs smooth enough 
for me... I'm gentoo for life

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