[gentoo-user] Re: using distcc to compile gentoo using debian, suse and gentoo
Dave Nebinger wrote: Thanks a lot for answers! Now whether this is a good idea to use on the debian/suse systems is another question... You wouldn't want to overwrite the gcc on those systems because it might break things, you'd probably want to relocate the gcc build to isolate it from the working versions. And the distcc build on those systems would need to be reworked to target the localized gcc... My plan is to install it somewhere in /opt/gentoo/gcc, bind distccd to special "gentoo" port, set PATH in daemon environment to point to /opt/gentoo/gcc/bin. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Eamon Caddigan wrote: So inspired by your words am I, that I hereby officially announce my own fork of Gentoo: FREEtoo. Everything will be exactly the same, except It was just Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary ;) -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov A: No Q: Should I quote below my post? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Hall Stevenson wrote: Outside of Debian, I think people consider software "free" if they can download it, use it, and NOT have to pay for it. I do at least. There are several meanings of the word 'free' in English. Here is the quotation from Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)": This is the first one: Free Free (fr=e), a. Compar. Freer (-~er); superl. Freest (-e^st). OE. fre, freo, AS. fre'o, fr=i; akin to D. vrij, OS. & OHG. fr=i, G. frei, Icel. fr=i, Sw. & Dan. fri, Goth. freis, and also to Skr. prija beloved, dear, fr. pr=i to love, Goth. frij=on. Cf. Affray, Belfry, Friday, Friend, Frith inclosure. 1. Exempt from subjection to the will of others; not under restraint, control, or compulsion; able to follow one's own impulses, desires, or inclinations; determining one's own course of action; not dependent; at liberty. That which has the power, or not the power, to operate, is that alone which is or is not free. --Locke. I do not quote all meanings (there are 16). Here is what you meant: 15. Not gained by importunity or purchase; gratuitous; spontaneous; as, free admission; a free gift. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
brett holcomb wrote: Apology accepted but non-free does not equal warez in any sense of the workd. There is nothing wrong with commerical stuff as many people earn an honest living from it. As well as commercial is not the same as non-free. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
brett holcomb wrote: - go back to Debian and continue your search elsewhere. I did not quit Debian, so, your advice makes no sence to me. Gentoo-user subscribers were so much intrested in the background of my questions, so I decided to help them clear up it as they help me to clear up answers to my questions. Your are right, I know enough about Gentoo now. Thank you. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov A: No Q: Should I quote below my post? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
brett holcomb wrote: Also, calling what Gentoo provides as warez and saying it doesn't meet the spirt is over the line of good form. We Apologize for misusing this word.. Please s/warez/non-free/g. I did not know it have abusive meaning. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Bryan Whitehead wrote: If your goal is to only have FSF approved licensed code running on your machine, gentoo would fit. Since it's source based you can just use self-restraint and not install 'evil' software that is based on 'evil' licenses... I do not want just use it. Free beer is not good for my health. As a human, I want to give something back. As a programmer, I can contribute my free time, improving the distribution. But I feel responsibility on what I provide to users. Distributing non-free takes time to support, it takes space on hard drive, it takes resources, which are so expensive. Resources, which can be utilized to improve or to support free software. But it is not just wasting of time and resources. Distributing (or advertising) non-free warez misleads users of a GNU based OS. So, it contradicts GNU programmers ethics. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:58:45 +0100 "Sergey V. Spiridonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | A lot of users tend to ignore GNU philosophy and interpret _free_ | software as in "free beer", not as in freedom. If you'd like a 'religious' distribution, may I suggest Debian GNU/Hurd? I already have one machine running Debian GNU/Hurd. Currently I look for the alternative for the Debian. I have to admit, it is very difficult task :( -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Ric Messier wrote: I use MS Windows AND Linux (look, he's bi-lingual!) because I'm far less concerned about philosophy/politics than I am about usability and capability and there are still things Windows and Windows apps do better, more easily, etc. I have also used Solaris, HP-UX, Primos, VM/CMS, DOS, CP/M, VMS, BSD, and a handful of other operating systems. It's more about what the best (or correct) tool for the job is than it is about whether the developers believe a certain thing for me. Well, it is a good reason for a user (for this reason a lot of users use MS Windows and MS Office). A lot of users tend to ignore GNU philosophy and interpret _free_ software as in "free beer", not as in freedom. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Hall Stevenson wrote: At 03:07 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote: > This forum's name is fairly illustrative of it's purpose: to discuss issues relating to using the distribution. Before I decide, if I want to use a distribution, I want to know something about it. Here are my questions and I need answers to draw a conclusion. I'm willing to bet that most people choose a distro based on install ease, choice of packages, built-in tools, and so on -- NOT the "political" idealogy of the distro. How this can help *me*? Do you think what "most people do" is a good reason to change my criterions? BTW most people use MS Windows, do you follow advices you give to other people? -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Barry Marler wrote: This forum's name is fairly illustrative of it's purpose: to discuss issues relating to using the distribution. Before I decide, if I want to use a distribution, I want to know something about it. Here are my questions and I need answers to draw a conclusion. > The Gentoo philosophy per se is, IMHO, not germane to gentoo-user. Then you probably know the right place for this? -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Sven Vermeulen wrote: No problem. As opposed to some ideas that are floating here I do not care what your motives are to ask this. Every question is a valid one, and although I don't know everything I just try to reply to my best effort. Thanks, I see. Everybody can propose a change to the social contract. If you mean if someone has the access to the social contract, then all people involved with the website can, but they aren't allowed to unless they have the managers' consent. I meant, if managers discuss and vote for some amendment to Social Contract, will they be able to carry out it? Are they entitled to do such things? As far as I understood, anyone can propose a change. Who is entitled to accept it? -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo internal structure
Sven Vermeulen wrote: Thank you for anwers. Here are some more. 3. How key decisions are done? Is there voting system? Gentoo has several top-level projects [1]. Each project is in charge for a well-defined part of the distribution. When decisions need to be made, the situation is discussed at the appropriate mailinglists/channels, after which the Gentoo managers (the leads of the top-level projects) get together to discuss the situation and vote. Who are Gentoo managers? Are they elected? Are they Gentoo Technologies Inc employees? 4. Can Gentoo maintainers correct the Social Contract? Everybody can propose to alter the Social Contract. Can Gentoo maintainers alter the Social Contract? -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo internal structure
Hi, 1. Is Gentoo commercial or non-commercial organization? 2. Is there Gentoo project leader, like in Debian? How is it elected? 3. How key decisions are done? Is there voting system? 4. Can Gentoo maintainers correct the Social Contract? Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Sergey Spiridonov -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
